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Agreed. Maybe his game is too subtle.. maybe it's just not overt/bombastic enough for some. Imagine if Donny wore Camo daily, they might never even know he was on the show. Einstein's work suggests that there's a possibility of an alternate universe at work here. Maybe one eyed, one eared aliens are posting here on Mortys and with just one eye and just one ear they are only seeing and hearing 1/2 of the game. Well, anything's possible. Maybe AG herself is an alien.

I hope these two never breed and/or raise children.

Agreed, that was a weak and transparent play... not good, but in the end, I don't think Derrick cares... he hasn't really had to play much, which seems to have lead to him becoming a bit too comfortable and lazy; he feels very safe and doesn't respect Donny. In terms of Derrick's and Vic's behavior, I agree with you in terms of Vic; she does act like a child and can't expect to be treated like an adult if she is capable of acting like an adult and cognizant of her behavior. Derrick, on the other hand, is an adult and as such, can make his own decision about how to deal with her. He doesn't have to join her at her level. My point is that no one should be able to alter the way any of us treats others. That's a choice that begins and ends within ourselves. His choices were treat her like an adult or sink to childish bullying behavior. Derrick choose to treat her like a child and keep his foot on her throat long after she had submitted and had pleaded for his forgiveness. A decent adult human being makes the better choice to play the game but to hold him/herself to an adult standard regardless of the behaviors of the others involved. If Derrick is an adult and she is a child, why sink to her level?

Look, I'm sorry that you've been stung by criticism of Derrick, but his behavior has been atrocious. Obviously, Zach has also been a bully at times. But Zach has had several of his threads filled with posts about his attacks on Vic and Nicole. Posters have burned post after post about his bad behavior. It has not been overlooked, he's has been criticized. The difference is that no one has repeatedly jumped to his defense after each criticism. No one jumped to his defense when he yelled at Vic. He and Derrick have both earned the criticism they've gotten. Devin also caught criticism for his bullyish ways. It's pretty simple... when a HG behaves badly, criticism follows. There were 16 HGs and 3 have been criticized for this sort of behavior, that means 13 have not... but those 13 didn't ride criticism free; they all have been called out for their play, personality, hygiene, intelligence, and much much more. This is just a game; Derrick shouldn't get a pass and he certainly hasn't earned one.

I agree. I didn't see anything suspicious either. I suppose for those prone to conspiracy theories, production could have directed Donny to 'good' bones and directed Christine to 'bad' bones and then directed Christine over to Caleb/Cody and then directed her to give those 'bad' bones to Caleb/Cody just to screw with their game... a bit more than far-fetched but I sure in this crazy world we live in there must be some fool that would buy into all of that intrigue. I did get a good chuckle out of Christine's relief as she had realized her failed attempt to throw it and her monumental failure that came in the form of giving Caleb/Cody the 'bad' bones.

Now I understand why you like Derrick so much.

It isn't merely a repetitious conversation... those are fine... boring, but fine. It wasn't just the use of a stern voice, that's fine too. It wasn't just the emotional pressure he applied to an emotional wreck of a person, that's also fine in this game. Watch it again. It's the totality of the repetition, the duration, the pressure... and what makes it all so abusive is that all of these elements continued long after he had long since succeeded in submitting her. After a full submission, decent folks take their foot off the other person's throat. He didn't.

Ya know, Slim, I think you have a pretty good grip on this one.

No masterminds -- Check Can't find a favorite -- Check Don't really care who wins -- Check Whoever makes it to the end deserves.... -- not with this bunch. Well, we almost agree...

He wasn't actually making the point that he had her back and that Zach hadn't, that storyline was nothing more than a tactic to lead her to submission which then enables him to get her under his control again. I agree conversations aren't necessarily 'all unicorns and rainbows', but that isn't my point. My point is that it was fine for him to confront her and to work to manipulated her into getting back into his pocket, BUT once that is accomplished further pressure is pointless. It only serves to abuse his minion. The duration of the pressure tactics is part of the abuse, especially when she had already broken down, fully submitted and was pleading for his forgiveness. Different people have different tolerances, some have the skin of a rhino while others have the sheerest skin imaginable. A decent person would acknowledge that and treat each of these folks according to their tolerance to pressure. Derrick knows that Vic is fragile and he had very early on succeeded in turning her back into his pocket but instead of hugging it out knowing that he had gotten what he wanted out of her, he kept up the pressure for a ridiculously long time.

How long did he persist with his make her apologize strategy after she broke down? 10 mins, 20, more? He behavior was despicable. No decent human being continues as he did once the other person has broken down and fully submitted. He knows that she is fragile and dependent, yet he not only continued, he added even more pressure. Of course, she 'hugged' it out, she is now fully dependent upon him. The man is a dirt ball.

Did you watch the entirety of Derrick's post Zach's outing-Derrick's-Detonator-membership to Victoria "I'll make Victoria apologize to me" Beehive conversation? It was abusive in repetition, tone, depth, and duration. He pressed her well beyond the point where she had cracked and was pleading for his forgiveness. Even then he continued well after his points were made and remade several times over, yet he persisted pressuring a broken Victoria. Shameful and well beyond game play.

Can he be kind when it benefits him... sure. Did he show that very same depth of humanity when Nicole was sobbing.... not be a longshot. But then of course, Nicole was not his minion, so no need to be kind to her.

This bunch of masterminds has delivered a very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very boring game. At this point there are only two questions to be answered:: 1) How much longer can Donny win his safety? 2) Will the game end in a draw because neither Frankie nor Derrick has the guts to take a shot at the other? This has been a very timid cast.

It's yours to do with as you wish.

She's got the introspective abilities of a soybean and the nature of an alley cat.

In the first week Donny won a POV. In the first 3 weeks he won 3 contests... I'd say he knew better than most when the game started as he was one of the few that had actually started to play the game. ​In 8 weeks, Donny has won 1 HOHs, 2 BOBs, 3 POVs. That 6 wins in 8 weeks puts him in league with some of the legends of BB. Add to that, he is one of the most clutch players to have played the game.

This may be one of those things that we never come to know the truth about, but I'm generally suspicious of losers claims of cheating/interference.

When has BB ever allowed any talk about production interference to go on without fish whether grounded or baseless? I have no idea if it was rigged or not, but I am always suspicious when the losers suggest it may have been rigged.

Yes, but we know how that kind of talk has a way of spreading in a paranoid and frustrated BB house without regard to it being based on fact or baseless supposition.

The question I've asked myself is "Is Caleb the guy I would trust as an eyewitness?" I haven't seen much to suggest that Caleb is a person that I would rely upon as an trusted observer or a reliable analyst. This may have come from his world view which pretty much extends about arms length from his body::in Beast Mode Cowboy's world, could Donny really have beaten him far and square? But then again, a Donny comeback does make for good CBS/BB TV.

I agree. I can't find my way to rooting for him but his is definitely one of the few who are actually playing the game to win.

and... the coffee is sprayed out onto my keyboard... Now, get over here and help me get this mess cleaned up!!

Marty, I don’t agree with your take, I think that sort of reasoning about the assessments of others may be far too simplistic. That take on fan dynamics also has a ‘reaching for straws’ quality about it, in that it ignores some things we know, minimizes other things that we know, all the while pushing a wholly improbable alternative. Do folks like underdogs? Yes, but there are limits. How many weaklings have we seen over the years leave without much fanfare from the fans... We've all seen that once a favorite sympathetic HGs is evicted, fans move on to their next choice. Most likely, all of us has liked an underdog at one point in the game only to drop him/her like a hot potato as the weeks pass. Donny is interesting in that he is and isn't an underdog. He has proven his ability to evaluate the dynamics of the house, take care not to let a slip of the tongue with the wrong HGs happen, go to the 'most' trustworthy(think Hayden) and has also proven to be a competition nightmare. And the's done this without abusing anyone. Do folks dislike seeing all male alliances? I suppose some few do, but I haven't seen any evidence that their dislike of these is the key feature in their decisions of who to support and who not to support. It's just one more little nugget in a much wider decision making process. Do folks dislike bullies? Yes, but there are either mitigating factors that are present in the bully’s character or not. Obviously, no person is one-dimensional; we are all complex beings. Some have few redeeming qualities, while others have many. In Zach’s case, Zach is a bully. Zach has chosen to be the house bully. His style is to push the ‘over-the-top’ bully persona as far as he can. Can he be a creative, sympathetic, charming, humorous bully? Yes, at times he can, and that’s his game. He relishes keeping folks off balance. It’s a little reminiscent of a mixture of Dr Will’s outrageous ‘ claims of dislike’ for his fellow HGs and ED’s over the top pot clapping attacks. Derrick on the other hand, did far more than engage Victoria one time in a ‘stern voice.’ Unless someone is a personal friend or family member, I don't see the need to soften and dismiss his actions. Derrick crossed the line into abuse when he continued well after his point was made and his control over Victoria was once again established. He continued to apply more and more pressure even after she had fully submitted, had broken down and was pleading for his approval. He displayed an appalling lack of decency in that exchange that spanned far beyond game play. He also persisted for far too long to pressure an obviously cracking Victoria. What he did had no sympathetic, charming or humorous aspects to it. It was abusive pure and simple. He tried the same thing with Brit after Devin blow up the BS to her but Brit was a stronger person than Vic and was better able to handle his abuse. This guy is mean for the sake of being mean. How exactly his he any different from Christine other than his mean streak has shown itself more often and for longer periods of time? They are two peas in a pod, both lucky to have been pulled into an alliance because of who they were in a room with when the recruitment began and both have mean streaks a mile wide. Instead of scratching for excuses for Derrick, his fans might consider that his game might not be all they have come to believe. Maybe, just maybe, the dislike some have for him isn’t some failure in them to see the good Derrick, but a failure in Derrick himself.

Slim, I completely agree.