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4 minutes ago, joystiick said:

I wasn't trying to dislodge what you said. I was just offering a different perspective. Bullying, lying, stabbing people in the back, it is all part of that game and may be the right strategy for some people. But what I am saying is that there is a whole lot of real life taking place in the game and game strategies often have an impact on "real life" feelings. Where game ends and real life begins can be murky and completely different for different people. For some, the whole thing may be about playing a silly game, but, for others, the "game" may be as serious as taking a second job so they can afford braces for their kid. 

 

As to Paul, he's playing a great game that is taylored to the people in the game. I can't fault him for taking advantage of all the advantages that BB gave him. However, I can't pat him on the back for being a great player. He's been given too many advantages for that. Basically, I would make this comparison...there are a lot of great college football players. But, when they move up and play against the pro's, they are just average and many are below average. But, if they went back to play college, they would be even greater than before. That is the way I see Paul. He's a pro that got a chance to go back and play against college players. So, he looks a lot greater than what he is. 

when you say it gets murky...you are saying that it is not only Cody who has that problem that I pointed to...I guess his particular way of being murky was individualized to him...to what we felt was a difference in him from most others even over the course of the game through the years...so we essentially agree and what you say about Paul is perfection.

5 hours ago, stevea11 said:

 

 

um, that's what this show is all about. Without it they would have never lasted 19 seasons.

It is one aspect of what the show shows...but there have been times we have seen real strategies and real relationships form to enable people to get further in the game...

15 minutes ago, joystiick said:

The walk made for great tv. I also like that he just walked out without going through the phony great game I love you crap. When he got to the door, I wish he would have turned around and gave them "deuces bitches". 

they were not worth even that to him. I wonder if Jess can keep up a lifetime of whatever would not let him see the cheap crass side of her to allow them to have a successful relationship with kids and home? He will not be a great wage earner...and she has some aspirations to luxury...so will it be worth it to her...for the stability that he offers from his experience? There are not a lot of guys who want to support a wife and kids ...or will support that wife after she has ruined her body with babies...given the view of most men about what constitutes a female worthy of being attracted to.

22 hours ago, WOC said:

Mark is my new favorite. He seems genuinely nice. It's just too bad he didn't put one and one together about his standing in the house until it was too late.

I think he did and that was why he was trying to be OK with Cody, but he did not get that Jody was not capable of opening from its sexual embrace and he still does not see that his relation with Elena was not what hurt her, but him. He definitely sees that there is nothing he can do that will convince anyone now given Paul's attack and the house agreement that he is not to be trusted..that is so silly since all are not to be trusted by the nature of the game and by the manipulation of Paul and by their allegiance to Paul and the idea that Paul has created.

21 hours ago, joystiick said:

Blurred the concept? Maybe. But I look at it like this, some things and some actions are just part of the game, such as lying and deceiving. However, bullying is not just part the game. Bullying is personal. As part of the game, would you think it would be ok if one player disparaged your mother and your children? When I was younger, trashing each others gf/bf, spouses, parents, etc was done on a regular basis and we had a good laugh. We don't do it anymore because it is not funny and will get you hurt. Some people take things more seriously than others and when Cody said that it was not a game, I took it as him saying he didn't come for summer camp. He came to work. When he arrived, he was reporting to do a job that pays real money and he was there to earn $500,000.

 

I guess it is a matter of perspective. For some, it is just a game. For others, it is a job. And for others, it is a competition in which an alt-reality meets real life. Considering that Cody was a sniper, I don't think many things are a game to him. More than likely, he's deadly serious about pretty much everything.   

Nothing you say dislodges what I have said...and while I agree with you, given that all is ok in this game...that means even bullying...saying things about people personally and getting a group to egg someone on...are all strategies...and Paul uses them...his attack on Mark the fact that Jason betrayed that Mark suggested getting rid of Paul are all part of the web that Paul has created that is making him successful and it is nuts that no one sees it. Mark does, but he can not do anything because with Jason's betrayal, no one will want to allow him to make that move with them without running to Paul...at least that is the environment Paul has created and which they all agree to. We watch disbelieving that people can be so utterly stupid.

She clearly knew she had been given the same treatment that Cody was subjected to.

Is this the worst season? It is surely the slowest, most boring, we watch to see when they will have to eat each other and wonder if then Paul will come to their attention..that is the only thing that keeps us...like a soap opera...will anyone do anything to make the inevitable not be?

32 minutes ago, Roli said:

 

I respect that he didn't give out or receive any of those fake hugs considering he hated everyone in the house.  

 

Walking on the table? Not so much.  JMO

yes it is a matter of opinion and in normal circumstances we don't want people walking on our tables in our homes, but this place is not a home at all and the general filth and disrespect of decent living these people loll about in...makes the walk no great faux pas.

32 minutes ago, WOC said:

 

He went out like a boss. None of that fake ass "love ya" crap!

 

I wish people would let it go though because he's gone and the game has moved on.

but then production gives us this recap show and it is all back up again like vomit

Cody was sacrificed to Paul by production, By having to evict so many people, by being the first HOH finding that he could not get rid of Paul, by the sheep, by Alex washing her hands...and by his own incapacity to deal with the characters he was surrounded by.

This was a disgusting show and reminded me of so much ugliness...what did the production think we would feel looking at this ongoing mess culled for its worst moments.?

4 hours ago, WOC said:

I read this elsewhere and thought it was an interesting idea, not that it would ever come to fruition. Why not a season where all of the Hgs are the players who were voted out first in their season. I like it.

yes YES

I LOVED the way he stepped on that mirror table and walked out the door not a fake hug in his wake

On 8/11/2017 at 4:11 PM, Gram02 said:

What a pack mentality, if Cody says anything he's a bully, if he says nothing he's a coward. Lord help anyone who speaks to him.  What An insecureo group of ppl.  This reminds me of a group of ppl who would not act like this if they were alone but they think it is acceptable within the group,

The Amish have a practice of shunning as do the scientologists.

watch til you retch

On 8/14/2017 at 1:23 AM, MadMarty said:

I really feel bad for Cameron, he was a fan.  So many HG's are "found" and have no idea what the game really is.  To most of the HG's this year it's a 3 month vacation of eating, sleeping and having sex.  Josh is no worse than ED was.  Sorry, I think the Josh we saw the 1st half of the season was all an act.  Personally, I think Josh will be the one to get Paul out.

well that would be a turn around...and you could claim to be a seer...medium...clairvoyant...prophet...set up a telephone service and make $10 a minute...LOL

On 8/12/2017 at 4:02 PM, PF364 said:

I concur.  Some people could not watch that season "live".  They had to rely on the good old VCR, and someone at home to remember to record it.  ha ha ha... Showing age now... When I did view it, it was appalling. 

 

The so called "sheep" have no one else to blame other than themselves.  They treat Paul as some sort of deity, I just don't get it.  

 

To address the fact that you would like humans to be more self actualized... I wish. I see a steep downward decline in that dept.  Our youth (not all, but those who get the attention) seem to have become so desensitized to the point where everything to them is no more than a video game.  It's like they don't even know what the empathy means, let alone have that attribute. Look at all the crap on the FB live that has been happening lately.  I am one who truly believes it all starts at home, and I have a real problem with video games, TV and social media being the new babysitters.  Parents need to be more engaged and be well, parents!  I wonder how the HG's parents will perceive their children's actions?

actually you show your age more by your values...than by the fact that you remember using a VCR...there are so many factors reducing people to what we see as the character of the generation that it will be  a wonder if there is any actual teaching to be done in the universities any longer.

On 8/12/2017 at 3:26 AM, Roli said:

 

We're not so different from a pack of wolves.  Paul established himself as the Alpha almost immediately.  There are challengers, but they have to wait for the right time.  

 

I find BB to be fascinating.  It's people-watching in sort of a condensed version.  (Stating the obvious, though different people watch for different reasons.)

exactly

He used the veto on himself because his mom did not birth any fools.

can not separate the clown and fool from the person with this one.

There is something so uneven about Josh. He can sound like he is sensible and understanding for short periods and then back to being a bully and then to being a crybaby. I'd hate to have to do business with him...not knowing who I'd be getting on any given day. Of course he would not bully so blatantly but that basis for attack is built into him. I think there is something wrong with his mind and his emotional balance.

I think I was the first to call him Baby Huey because he is acting so much like a baby and entitled and because he is body type kind of like that cartoon character and because he is a silly goose. Is it name calling to recognize the similarities to a character? I hated when Elena was trying to say something and he kept talking over her and then accused her of yelling because his louder voice is not yelling what crap...that is real bullying. He is a bully and it is not name calling to say so because it is accurate description of the actions of the person.

1 minute ago, PAULISABUNION said:

Yes... Someone do something different.

water does not fall up...they cannot

who won HOH?

On 8/16/2017 at 6:54 AM, Hanna said:

I think Paul has his own clothing line and lots of followers, I think he should be worried about what people think. I think he thinks he can do damage control once he is out of the house, blame it on the game. And that works for a lot of people but I think he is playing a very disrespectful game. I thought I read in a live feeds discussion that he thinks someone in their group (Paul, Josh, Alex, Jason and Christmas) will get the 25k for fan favorite. Shows how delusional he is.

some people thin k there is no such thing as bad publicity when it comes to hocking goods