Denise4925

Howard would often pray with the other HGs and console the, with words of faith when they were in an emotional state.

This is what bothers me about how they are treating him now and have been since he's been nominated. They are downright not speaking to him. Especially Helen and Elissa, when he was totally there for them when they needed him. But, all I can say is Karma is a witch that will be visiting all these evil people in the near future.

LOL, wishful thinking on your part but this is America and she represents a huge demographic and due to her bleached-blonde bigotry she will be embraced as the Ann Coulter of the new generation, she can make a substantial living off of her image and behavior and become a multi-millionaire like Rush Limbaugh.

She could even possibly become a weather-commentator for Fox news network.

LOL totally agree.

This is what they're expecting when she gets out:

Nope, not an expectation with the way the world is today. But a hope, metaphorically speaking.

Your own racist views are showing...Get over yourself already...There are just as many racist blacks as there are whites...

Is this an opinion or do you have facts to back this up, because logically it doesn't make sense, since the population of blacks in America is only 13%. If there were as many "racist blacks" as there are whites, that would encompass the entire black population and then some.

Demographics have nothing to do with Howard's insanely poor game skills and it is those poor game skills that have him where he is today. I had hoped for better from him... but he's failed himself with his poor analytical skills, poor strategy skills, poor communication skills, poor social skills, and surprisingly poor physical game play. He just not built for games of logic, strategy, social acuity & communication.

As I said in my earlier post, he was my early season favorite, but he gave me nothing to hang onto after watching him. His game is sit back and do nothing(floater) or to spend so little time and effort coming up with strategy and tactics as to be a bystander. And then unfortunately when in the rare case when he does strategize, he come up some hair-brained scheme doomed to fail like voting against the house and blaming the vote on Jessie. The rest of his time he has been nearly completely disengaged from the game only rarely interrupted when he spouts one of his nonsensical rants filled with contorted metaphors and self-righteous innuendo. If any label fits Howard, it's "Failed Floater."

Howard is no a "man" in the sense that you are using the term. His is a quitter and self-righteous jerk. He has NOT been loyal; he's tossed ALL of his allies(Jeremy, Spencer, and Candice) under the bus and used his religion as a game weapon. All of that is perfectly OK in this game but in the face of all of his poor game-play, to claim he is a man of integrity and loyalty is nonsense.

I also disagree with your position that unless a HG is an alpha male or alpha female, that HG should just back off their game using their personal skills & strategy and make way for the Alphas. BTW, there's an ironic bigotry in your "gay, fat, effeminate and whipped males" comment. That sounds very much like something Aaryn would say.

Howard's lone good move was his wonderful defense and support of Candice during and after the bed flipping incident. As good as that was, it is not enough to win BB and even that was diminished when he laughed at Candice's "white ass Honky" comments. How was that any better than Kaitlins & GM's behavior laughing at Aaryn's equally offensive "Shaniqua" comments?

Monk

As much hope as I had for Howard and as much as I love him, I have to agree with your analysis. Very fair. My thoughts exactly. But, I think the last part about laughing with Candice was out of anger for what they've said and done to him and Candice. I don't condone it, but I understand it.

Not going there Denise, the fact you assume you know more than I do without knowing a thing about me speaks volumes.

we don't agree get over it, Im done.

Okay, and not going there speaks volumes to me about you. LOL there's nothing to get over.

Arryn is 22. She's not a child and giving her a pass because she's young doesn't even make sense. She's old enough to vote, go into bars, join the military, sign contracts and "model" with barely any clothes on (and completely naked and exposed, if she so chooses). She's a racist AND a bully!

I taught my kids that they were responsible for their words and actions starting when they were toddlers. If Arryn doesn't know by now that she's responsible for her words and actions then it's high time she learn that lesson. BUT no lesson can teach her how to FEEL. The way she feels about those who don't conform to her own view of who's superior is despicable. SHE is despicable. All the education in the world isn't going to change that.

HEAR, HEAR!!!!

Sorry, it's hard for me as black person to have sympathy for someone who so easily spews racial slurs every chance she gets. She's old enough to know what she's saying and that it's not acceptable and if she doesn't, than she will learn one way or another. It's not just stupid things, it's hurtful, racially offensive things. Let's not downplay what it is and how it effects who those slurs are directed at.

And yeah, it looks pretty bad when you're the one spewing racially derogatory "jokes" and stereotypes in the house and you put the only two black people in the house on the block. Don't play dumb and compare it to other things that don't even compare. It is what it is.

Nope not playing dumb Denise, we just don't agree. I'm not ready to sentence her for racial crimes, I'd rather educate and hope we've seen enough hatred that we can teach our youth (mean spoiled girl...yes) what harm these comments make. I have a hard time believing you, like I, have never made a comment or joke at some point that you've regretted.

And that's your prerogative. However, I say she's a racist and I probably have more experience in that area than you. Education is great but before she can learn anything she has to admit there's a problem and when people are petting her on her head saying she's not a racist, just a spoiled little mean girl, it's not going to sink in. Saying something you regret is a far cry from spewing racial epithets on a daily basis. I don't have any racial bias and understand what it feels like to be on the receiving end. Do you?

And Helen telling Howard she will protect Candice. We we know that is a big fat lie.

So true.

Come on Sparklet you can't give up yet. We still have till Thursday for these mindless idiots to realize that if they don't get out McPizza's girlfriend that they will win the whole thing. I am hoping that some of them any of them wake up and grow a brain or at least a part of one please.

I wouldn't count on it. Helen is so delusional, she thinks she's running the house and needs McManda.

Glad to hear it Sparklett. I love them together.

It was, "illchay outway onway ethay acistray alktay. Itway ashay ottengay ouyay iredfay andway everyoneway ateshay ouyay."

(I used a translator to convert it to English. )

Couldn't agree more. Now we're really pulling for things to make her look worse. If she put Helen and Candice up she'd be be a racist, if she put Andy and Spencer up she'd be homophobic and hate plump people....give it a break . She's a spoiled YOUNG girl who got too cocky and said some stupid stupid things. Let's hope she becomes a better person from the experience.

Sorry, it's hard for me as black person to have sympathy for someone who so easily spews racial slurs every chance she gets. She's old enough to know what she's saying and that it's not acceptable and if she doesn't, than she will learn one way or another. It's not just stupid things, it's hurtful, racially offensive things. Let's not downplay what it is and how it effects who those slurs are directed at.

And yeah, it looks pretty bad when you're the one spewing racially derogatory "jokes" and stereotypes in the house and you put the only two black people in the house on the block. Don't play dumb and compare it to other things that don't even compare. It is what it is.

I am referring to outside the house and a game move within the rules sure ain't gonna hurt Aaryn. Y'all seem to think she should be too afraid to put up two black people.

It's not about being afraid, it's about being self-aware, which is something she obviously lacks.

LenLen, I'm not understanding what you're saying.

No one is understanding that.

I do not know why so many do not feel amazed at her intelligence in figuring things out. The problem with Howard stems from them being forced to alliance due to the racism and because they have been dropped from what alliances they had. I would like her to stay more than Howard and I do think her game will improve with him gone. But Aryan must also go SOON for her to get over the wounds inflicted by that ugly piece of crap.

Agree

Talking about everything in the prism of race makes some people happy.

No it doesn't. And that is a mischaracterization of what is being discussed. The only reason we're talking about race at all is because Aaryn makes racist remarks all of the time on the show and so does Amanda and GinaMarie. It's sad to have to still be having this conversation in the 21st century. It seems though that if it doesn't effect people in a negative way, i.e. people who don't get offended by it, they want to sweep it under the rug and not have an honest discussion about it. But, who are the "some people" you're referring to?

And gives excuses as to why she won't make it to the end. I have no idea why she is even in the house. I guess her lifelong dream is to be a "have not."

Because she's a human being just like everyone else and has a right to be on a show like BB, just like everyone else.

Happy NOT . and refuse to back track from what I have seen and heard in this society for my entire life now coming out of the mouths of these people. Any person who thinks they are out of the mix is deeper in just as people who are in a privileged position due to wealth have no idea how others live. If you know that all of us are equally human, you do not think Af Am men are violent nor that they are superior athletes nor have better rhythm. You do not think Jews are good with money, nor more intelligent. You recognize the culture and society that groups live in and what those groups emphasize as part of their survival. The result is tall Af Am men going into basketball and more Jews going to college. The same for the rest of groups. You do not have a problem with someone saying "axed" for asked. Differences are interesting rather than a cause for distrust and hate because you trust that the other person is human just like you and all that they do fits into a continuum of their society.

Obviously it makes some people uncomfortable to talk about the racist attitudes of others because it means that their own racial bias may be exposed.

YOu do not think that C being beautiful is a part of the reason? How dare she be when she is a N...? should have ugly N features so throw that perception of ugly at the race as has been thrown for years. As for you, do you really think such physical stuff has to do with being liked -by women?- I think you aim at being liked by men more than by women based on what you say here (even if you are being mostly funny) People make a choice at some point in their life. I am going to trust people or not, I am going to like people until they prove I should not or I am going to make them prove themselves to me. People are born guilty or innocent. There are reasons both perceptions have validity. But they differ in how people act toward others and make a huge difference in the outcome of people's lives.

I think that's pretty accurate. I think Aaryn is very jealous of Candice and how pretty she is.

I just don't understand..... Why when Howard, Spencer, Gina Marie, Kaitlin, and.....i can't remember who else now, not that it would have worked anyway, but nonetheless, why wasn't Candice included in this? It would be a vote with them and she wasn't with anyone else.... Maybe i missed something... ???

You're right. Howard has kept her out of all of his alliances.

OMG I want Candice to win HOH and put up Amanda and Helen and let America put up Aaryn or whichever way, but I want those three wenches on the block next week.

He's so handsome though and foine!! LOL

"He added, "I find some of the behavior absolutely appalling," but said the feelings expressed on the show were a "reflection of the way some people feel in America.""

Les Mooves and I have the same opinion on the matter.

Sorry Howard, you played a terrible game. You shouldn't have lied to Helen when she asked about the MC. If someone asks you something, they already know the answer and want to know if you're going to lie and you did. Two, you can't win jack crap. You haven't been laying low, you just are not good at the comps. Penultimately, you shouldn't have backstabbed Candice. She will see what you've said behind her back. Even though you don't think you threw her under the bus to save your game, you did. Lastly, Spencer was the worst person you could have hooked up with. I know you think he knows the game, but he's a total slime.

I'm just hoping Candi can redeem herself with the women, sans Aaryn, after you're gone.

She'll be fine. She is no doubt young and resilient. I don't think that aaryn is indicative of much of anything. She is certainly not worth the effort to care.

I couldn't care less if she's fine or not. But, I agree she's not worth the effort of trying to analyze.

I don't think that aaryn is stupid. I think that aaryn is self-involved to the point that anyone who involves themselves with her are going to be disappointed if they have expectations beyond the range of her emotional capacity. She is a pretty girl. I think that the racist/stereotypical remarks that aaryn made will be generally excused under the veil of ignorance and she will go on with her life. I would like to see her go home before jury because I think that she could learn from the situation while it is somewhat fresh in the public eye. I think that she is likely there to stay.

Would I be friends with aaryn? No.

I never said she was stupid. I said she was ignorant. That's not the same thing in my opinion. I don't think she came into this game with a plan. I think she's so ignorant and she's gotten away with her racism for so long, that she thought it was okay. This to me is indicative of right wing cable television and radio. They make these types of racial slurs everyday, which is why I felt that she must be in their viewing audience. Which would explain why she thinks what she says is not offensive. She is the type of person and probably lives in the type of environment where these things are acceptable and until she gets out in the real world outside of her town in Texas, she will never learn what she said and how she behaved in the house was terrible and unacceptable. When she gets home, people with like minds as her will justify her behavior and make excuses, blaming it on Candice and Howard and probably accuse them of racism. That's the tactic these days. But, I don't think she's stupid. I think she knows very well what she is doing and saying and how offensive it is, but she doesn't care and that makes her ignorant.

She's still justifying that racism (in convo with Andy). Please, girl, we get you already. Let's see you do that

justifying once you're out of the house -- better yet, sitting in front of Julie for the interview.

OMG I cannot wait for that. She'll do exactly what Kaitlin did...try to explain it away and put the blame on someone else or just being in the house and everyone will accept it, like they do in the real world.

Just how stupid is this girl who is planning on going into the psychology profession and feels she has such good people reading skills (her bio)???? Elissa is up there right now feeding Aaryn more poop than my cows could manage in a year about who was the MVP (Nick, Jeremy...) and she (Elissa) got put up as a joke and Aaryn is totally buying it! OMG, I need to get a couple of bridges out of storage!!!

LOL, Aaryn is so ignorant.

Aaryn thought being a racist mean girl was a strategy. Now she's just a puppet and I hope if Candice stays, she wins HOH and be the one to get Aaryn out. That will be sweet.

I feel that this season of BB is so indicative of the real world with all of the racism and homophobia being displayed in the house and there's no shame. They all make execuses for it. Take for instance Aaryn saying that she feels turning over Candice bed was all in fun. Fun for whom? Was it all in fun to mock her with a ghetto girl's accent, provoking her? It's the same in the real world. People being delusional over what is racist and homophobic and what isn't. Will Aaryn get away with saying she's sorry, just like people in the real world do when they make racist and homophobic statements?

Aaryn is carrying on right now as I type, as if Candice is in the wrong for being offended over that incident. She's was rehashing it with Andy. I wonder if it came up again after the nom ceremony.

They talk at the nom ceremony ??? What did they say?? Ugh

No, I didn't mean it like that. They just came back from the nom ceremony and Candice has been talking to Jesse. Spencer is talking to Howard.

This is what Aaryn was saying after the nom ceremony.

Aaryn: But I mean, it wasn’t like anything that they made it up to be. I would never touch anybody’s things, ever. EVER. I was raised better- I was raised better than to flip a mattress, BUT I was raised better than to touch people’s personal things. Obviously it was a good moment, we were interviewed about it.

Delusional much?

I like Candice. I think Helen is playing a dirty game, she is in politics and knows how to spin. But down right lying about what others are saying is wrong, game or no game. I have lost respect for Helen. I am praying that Howard, Candice and Spencer can rally and get out Amanda this week.

Don't count on it. I think Howard is the target, for whatever reason in Amanda's head and tha's who's going. They are a house full of sheep. Everyone is afraid of Amanda. So, Amanda will win BB15.

Not only is Aaryn racist, she hates Candice because Candice is prettier than she and her hair is so much more beautiful than hers and it's naturally long and thick. Aaryn has to get extensions to make her hair look like Candice hair.

I highly doubt anyone on that show is a true racist.

Why?

I just can't imagine a scenario where I would throw out remarks about someone's race or religion or gender in an effort to denigrate them.

I just don't understand that kind of hatred.

I agree. It's not necessary and it shows how little respect you have for yourself when you do it. I understand that kind of hatred, because I've lived through it, but I don't understand that kind of game play in a TV show. According to Marcellus, it's been going on, but I've had the feeds on several occasions and I've never seen it. That's to say, I've never heard such overt racial and homophobic slurs used as this season has shown. Amanda is doing it because she knows Allison has instructed production not to show anything negative about her. So, she gets away with it.