Denise4925

I watched the first clip -

Kaitlin is putting her legs up in the air like she's in heat, Aaryn's glare is totally unforgiving, she doesn't want to hear anything that Candice has to say, and GM comes running over like a shark smelling blood, acting as Aaryn's "protector" as if Aaryn was being threatened - seems as if no one liked Candice, but IDK how much skin color had to do with that.

I am not defending them. I wish Candice had smashed a wine bottle over one of their heads but then she would have been in the wrong.

Sigh........ I still have 34 minutes more to watch.

At 21:11 - that was the moment where I wanted Helen evicted from the house. I know, it's BB but she turned on her friend and pretended to still be Candice's BFF at the same time - I understand the strategy, but Helen showed that she was an assassin, code name "Cottonmouth" and now you must die grasshopper.

It had everything to do with her color.

EDIT

What did Aryan Nation say about Candice' being light-skinned? One of the live feeders said she was coming to Candice defense (sort of) in one of the HOH Candice bashing sessions by VaginaMarie the other night. I think it was Saturday night. Anyone know?

I understand all the lies in this game BUT I do not like the name calling, etc. this group is so over the top with this season. There is just no reason for it and it certainly has nothing to do with the game. Same on some of the posts here, nothing to gain with remarks about looks, etc.

I agree about them and their name calling and bashing. But, idle time is the devil's workshop. Those with small minds have nothing better to occupy their time.

What did Aryan Nation say about Candice' being lightskinned? One of the feeders said she was coming to Candice defense in one of the HOH Candice bashing sessions by VaginaMarie the other night. I think it was Saturday night. Anyone know?

I do agree but I think her big mistake was trusting Amanda. The one person that stayed loyal to her is Elissa and she has thrown her under the bus. If it would have come down to Andy or Elissa I think she would have chosen Andy. He is the one that turned on her. He just doesn't have the balls to tell her. I am hoping that she does come back to the game on Thursday because I have a feeling that the 3 evicted hg's did not go to jury but were sequestered until this Thursday (I could be wrong) so they would just fall back into the follow the HOH where Helen will be looking for blood.

I can't wait for any one of them to come back in the house. They will all be out for blood.

I can't stand his gameplay. I think if I were in the jury, and he and Aryan Nation were the final two, I'd vote for the racist. Because I just can't stand a rat.

I can't stand Amanda because she's a bully, but I have mad props for her game. She's outplayed them all. She's the only one who deserves to win, just for gameplay.

LOL, I think it's hilarious that Helen is leaving the house. She only has her own self to blame for trusting every deal that is made with her. I can't wait for her to find out about Andy. Also, she sold her soul to the devil by aligning with Aryan Nation and it's coming back to bite her in the butt. I'm so glad she's going to be blindsided. I liked Helen in the beginning, but her HOH went to her head and her game play went downhill.

Is Amanda really that smart to come up with these game plans, i.e. the Veto (what it was going to be and how they can rig it in their favor) and manipulating McCrae and Andy to lie about a final three with Helen, taking the blood off her hands and keeping her safe. Or is someone coaching her behind the scenes?

I just want to see who makes it to F2 and how the jury will vote and what will be said to Amanda, Aryan and VGinaMarie about their racist behavior in the house. I know she's not going to tell them that they all lost their jobs, but I can't wait to see on the blogs how they were told and what they said.

Nice rationalization.

Thanks. But, I prefer to call it a reasonable explanation, instead of jumping to conclusions about a man based on a conversation that no one heard fully and that neither one of us knows personally.

People have not forgotten.

You and I have not forgotten, but the majority has. We are not the majority.

Not from what I've seen on Twitter, Facebook and other BB fan forums.

I think in the begining of the game Helen was actually a favorite. I know she was one of mine. Then she got the HOH and it went downhill from there. Helen obsession with the one vote drove me up the wall. She couldn't be happy that Nick was gone no she had to grill people like it was a crime to go against her. Howard paid the price for lying to Helen. The problem I have with Helen is that she is constantly thinking of the game she probably dreams about it. She overthinks everything. She will have a conversation with one person and say this is between you and me. Seconds later she is having a conversation with someone else and tells them the same thing. Every goodby message she says when you watch this you will see I had a big part in your going home. She is a legend in her own mind. She got busted big time the other night with Jesse. Helen had told everyone that Jessie wanted to get Amanda out but Jessie didn't know that she had done that. So Helen because she has lied so much forgot that Jessie didn't know it and blew it so when Jessie confronted her with it she does what Helen always does and she called Jessie a liar and went stomping in the house to go and tell Andy. Just like when Candice calmly told her that she controlled the vote in the game. She got mad stomped out of the room and went upstairs and lied to every person in there and said Candice threatened her. This is big brother the rules do not state you have to lie but I think everyone knows its a part of the game. I just do not believe that you have to lie everytime you open your mouth to speak. Helen in my opinion does this and it is not needed. She overdoes everything. Just because you are a good liar doesn't make you a good big brother player nor does telling everyone you love them.

So agree with this.

From a personal viewpoint, Helen unnerves me with her bossiness but from a big brother gameplay viewpoint I find helen somewhat entertaining. She hasn't used the big brother house for a porn site, she hasn't made racist remarks, she hasn't walked around in her panties and/or with bandaids-only covering her nipples, she hasn't made f*** the linchpin of her conversation, etc...

Give me a household of helens any day over people like amanda, spencer, ginamarie, howard, jeremy, mccrae, aaryn and even andy.

I think that helen will go - it is her own fault - but I hope it isn't amanda standing at the finish.

I totally agree with you. I like Helen, but she thinks making deals with everyone and trusting those deals is the key to this game.

She believes McC bec that is what she wants to believe and bec she does not think people lie to her...which is why she got soooo upset when Howard did (set up by Spencer) No one here likes Spenc but he did go his own way in the Veto comp and they the HGs ought to evict him now, but they are sticking to their "PLAN" WHY???? Jessie is no threat and he actually still is...

Yes, just like the Caitlin, Howard, Candice and Judd evictions. No threats, but they had to go.

Helen will make a deal with the devil. Seriously, she thinks everyone that comes to her with a deal is dealing honestly with her. She took a wrong turn in the game by not building up her side of the house. Especially against another Alpha female in the house who has solidified her own allies. She should have kept the people in the house who did not have anyone, like Howard/Spencer/Candice/Jesse/Elissa. None of them can win any comps and she would have beaten them in the end, but they would have controlled the vote. And McCranda would have imploded with Amanda's paranoia. Now she is left twisting in the wind with no one. Why does she think she still has Andy when he wouldn't go against McCranda and they are supposed to be closest allies in the house? She should have stuck to her gut instincts. Also, I would have been suspicious when McCrae approached me for a three way deal with Andy after she told Andy to put them up. I think she's the worst kind of player. Someone who thinks they have it all figured out and who in reality does not have a clue.

Now PLEASE make Chucky STOP looking at me!!!!

the only thing that bugs me about her dr is that she is so confident almost like she got reassurance from some higher ups

sure she is running the game no doubt but her dr just feels so strange

she is getting the mastermind edit and she knows it

I agree.

How could she lose her license? I can see her getting canned from her job, but she would still have her license correct?

Maybe she has to be employed with a realty company or doing business on her own in order keep her license current. Anyone here a real estate broker or agent, to answer the question?

My thing is, why is McCrae and Andy allowing her to use them? They are the ones lying to Helen and will not get her jury vote for the sake of keeping Amanda safe.

I hope she does and puts up Amanda and McCrea and doesn't listen to Helen. And if one of them comes off she needs to put up Helen. If Helen goes I think Elissa will be just fine. I do not think she is stupid.

I don't think she is either.

Amanda has been fired from her job!

http://gossipingpens.com/2013/08/05/amanda-zuckerman-fired-from-job-as-realtor/

One of the comments on the site said the following:

"As Howard was being evicted, he said he would spew then… however, that show was not live, and the audience that came to see Howard off wasn’t even allowed into the studio. The people who cheered for Howard when greeting Julie were CBS employees. So once again Howard was mistreated by CBS. They feared there would be some kind of strife, I guess, because of Howard’s speech to the BB15HG. So we don’t even know if Howard did infact deliver a stern speech. He certainly was very staid from what they aired."

Is this true? I thought it was a live show with an audience.

I hope that she makes it to the final two. That would be great.

Yeah, I really like Elissa. She's the only person in the house with any morals or ethics. I hate everyone else, but her and poor Jesse. I feel sorry for her. Anyway, yeah that would be great.

Helen is a master manipulator, one of the best. My wife said week 2 of the game that Helen was being set up for the win because of the way she was portrayed on the broadcasts was so much more positive than the reality seen on the live feeds. I don't think that anything has changed in that regard. She couldn't have, or didn't want to get rid of Amanda when she was on the block because it would have created too much chaos, much more difficult to control people when there is chaos. So she has to wait.

However I think that Helen's downfall may turn out to be not keeping Jessie. She would have made a much needed vote when the great battle begins, and should have pulled Jessie in under her wing.

I do think that you are correct, if Amanda becomes HOH she will put up Helen, I also think the same is true if Helen gets it at this point, she will put up Amanda. I disagree though on Amanda winning the game, I think she has absolutely zero chance. At this point I would say odds on favorite would be Aaryn and I think there is a good possiblity GM could be #2.

Ugh, God forbid.

She just has sucked all the air out of McCrae's game. He might have had some game in him and had a big fan base if it weren't for his wife. She has made a fool out of him. His own fault......

Agree. I wonder what she's going to do when she leaves the house and realizes they are not really married and he doesn't really want her anymore.

It's all about the ratings and that is a dynamic that evolves thoughout the season. The direct influence is obvious, Jeff winning the coup de tat, kept the most popular player in the game a few weeks longer. Same with sudden switch back to couples for one week, I think that was more about keeping Jordan in the game but it's what allowed Rachel to win that season. As well as the various times HG's have come back into the game, it's always a popular player because it's always about the ratings.

As far as DR manipulation, I think it's much more psychological by the questions that are asked etc. If HG's were told directly what to do, after 15 seasons, someone would have spilled the beans despite NDA's.

As far as having a predetermined winner at the start of the season, I think that is about the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard, because again its all about the ratings. And what would the reward be to the producers for having someone they know win? Always apply the test, if it sounds too good, good in this case being great gossip material, it's usually not true.

I agree with you about everything except for the part about someone speaking out in spite of the non-disclosure agreement. Those agreements are legally ironclad and any violation would be a lawsuit against them. I would not want to go up against CBS and their team of lawyers just for disclosing production and gain what? So, I doubt anyone would "spill the beans" despite the contract.

Yea, that good Christian man that likes to find as many girls as he can with his boys to ''fuck the shit out of her.''

Well, the casual fans of the show don't know that and I believe that was taken out of context. Maybe he was a different man when he was referring to that. People change you know.

Candice wasn't playing good but to her credit, she's the first to suspect the MC alliance. She's not dumb as Elissa is.

She was also the first to figure out the Moving Company.

Agree. The only reason Amanda has been able to get this far is because all the rest are stupid and terrible at the game. Not one of these people deserve anything. I'm not voting for any of them.

LOL I think she's a good game player. Her game is a lot like Will's in that she hasn't won a thing, HOH or POV and she's still controlling the house through manipulation. Every single player she wanted gone, is gone and no one wants to put her on the block. She has absolutely no blood on her hands if she were to get to final two. Everyone else has turned on each other and done her dirty work. So, how is that not like Will Kirby?

those fans have already forgotten most of that controversy. The US public has the attention span of a two year old. They were turned off to Aryan and that got converted to being against Amanda.

People have not forgotten.

Did something happen today for you to find out that grodner and amanda were friends, lvgal? That was a rumor but I am wondering if it has been verified? As for all that, I have always wondered why former HG's never come forward and spill any gossip beans about big brother being manipulated. Has anyone ever seen that? I also believe that they are manipulated via the DR. I don't see how they could pick a winner, though, and see it carried through. Maybe I am wrong.

I kind of see it as entertainment because like I have said, I don't know people who act like these people. Not really.

Glad you got the feeds, hawk. You should be a LFU next year. You would be good. It's a whole different show with the feeds.

Slimcruz, CBS probably has the HGs sign a perpetual non-disclosure contract. I agree with Hawk, I don't think this show is a game in the real sense of the word. I think everything is manipulated. Amanda should have been voted out weeks ago, but she is destined to go to the end without any interference from any of the HG's. The HGs couldn't be as dumb about keeping McManda together in that house as they seem to be. So, I agree with Ivgal.

12:02AM BBT: In the bathroom area GinaMarie doesn't feel well. She doesn't think she can eat any more slop. GinaMarie truly looks miserable.

This is from being evil and I hope she is as miserable as she can be.

One beauty tip that I will give aaryn for free. Do something about those eyebrows.

A beauty tip that I will give both Aaryn and Ginamarie for free: Get rid of those ugly, hateful thoughts and the ensuing expressions won't ruin your looks.

But I don't think they would ever have put Judd on the block at that time -- that was totally Helen's doing. The fallout from the

shock of it all was how many of them were crying. You also saw Helen continually pressing to everyone just how big of a move

it was and how necessary it was to get rid of that conniving Judd -- as if she had to convince them that what they did was of

benefit to EVERYONE in the house. LOL Helen is really too much. SHE'S the one who saw Judd as a problem to HER game.

As far as Aaryn trying to distance herself from the decision to put Judd up -- that only makes her look bad as a weak, spineless player

who is just a "robot" or "puppet" for others. If I'm on the jury, why am I awarding you the winner when you clearly admitted having

no game?

Agree

Damn I hate to be the one to say it, but if you think the US is colorblind enough to vote for Candace as a fav...well I have a Brooklyn Bridge for sale that goes straight to GM's neighborhood.

No, it will be the BB fans whose distaste and disgust for the racist behaviors of GM and Aryan that will propel a vote for either Candice or Howard. Especially after how Candice was treated in her last week and how GM talked about her mother and didn't even allow her a voice on the way out of the door. However, I think Howard will get it over Candice because of how he was portrayed on the show, i.e. as a good Christian man. No one else besides Elissa with BB fans will have a chance in hell. It has nothing to do with game play. If it did, BB fans would not have turned on Amanda and put her on the block three weeks in a row. She's playing the best game in the house, like Dr. Will without the charm. But none of that matters because BB fans who hate this cast for their racist and homophobic slurs want redress and the only way they can get it, is through voting in the game.

GinaMarie should be locked up in a charm school for a couple of years just to see if they can do something about her.

Last night she was totally disgusting (more so than usual) and the personal attacks on Candance were beyond low class, not to mention her demonstrations of "sex with ex's" which were totally unfunny! Maybe I have no sense of humor but GM is just a horrible human being!

Agree. I think I hate her more than Aryan Nation at this point.

I haven't been watching much this season, have been catching up here, but I did record and watch last nights show and GM is really a nasty piece of work, what she said to Candice about her mother not wanting her was just uncalled for, she is a nasty little wench , seriously I think this cast this season is whack, boring, filthy mouthed, really bad representation of any kind of respectability, there is no fun in them, they just talk loud , back bite, and the way they are playing this game is soooooo boring, everyone follows whatever the hoh wants, no one is making any big moves, I've lost interest, but after seeing Gm's performance on last nights show I had to make a post, she disgusts me, I have no empathy for her at all

I think this is the first time we agree on a house guest.