Depeche221

Yeah, I was going on the fact that they weren't gonna bring any of these first evictees back because Julie was telling them that all were partners and the prize amounts if a pair made it to the end. I didn't think it would be fair for anyone with that knowledge to come back in if everyone else didn;t know. But she said that next week they are telling the HG's that everyone has a pair and the prize money, so that blows my theory outta the water.

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100% on the money Shockalot.

Nuff Said

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Now Shockalot, I am sure you are hung like a horse. C'mon baby, send it to me

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Shockalot, I agree almost 100% with you. I think that this year will be different in one major way. Usually the sparks start happening later in the season. I know you have watched previous seasons and if you happened to check, the ratings always went up towards the last 3 or 4 weeks because that was when all the real backstabbing and evel shit started. Unfortunately, this year, I think many viewers are turned off by the stuff that is going on so early, that we may actually see lower ratings during the last few weeks. It is about egtting people hooked and having favorites to vote for and so far, each week has been pretty predictable. Not just by live feed viewers, but by just average folks. The "BIG TWIST" that will supposedly come halfway, better be really awe inspiring, or I think CBS may have made a huge mistake this season. My friend that works for another BB overseas keeps telling me why it isn;t a big of hit over here. He says that when you try to cast people that have an interest in fame outside of the house, you lose right there. You need real folks. When it comes to the "live feeds", he is very critical. First off, the live feeds in other countries are free. And they really are uncensored. So, take for example, the fight Sat night. Instead of fish for 8 hours, we would have seen everything. CBS.com, CBS, and realplayer are too afraid to go out on a limb and show us everything for fear of FCC involvement. But, that also leads the audience to feel that everytime there are fish, things may or may not be manipulated. The whole idea of BB is NO CENSORSHIP, buut America has not gotten that. Maybe that is why it is more popular in every other country.

Also, American BB tends to cast people who are fake. They try to putr intriguing twists in, but once you learn about the people, you see it is all a sham. I personally think they should go back to season one and start casting nobodies. Overweight, not smart, not pretty, and focus more on just throwing a group of 14 people who are all different into the house and then making up the storylines as they evolve, instead of trying to spin the show and cast it a certain way eash year. Trust me, real life is much more intersting with real folks instead of people who are trying to play parts.

BB needs some major overhauls. I love the show and look forward to it, but untyill they start focusing more on the game and less on the T&A, I have a sick feeling we are less likely to see it back each year.

BB is supposed to be about real rats, living in a cage. The focus should be on them, not what twists they come up with if the cast isn't as real as they could find.

IMHO

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I do believe it is possible, but I don;t think Julie would have revealed the amount of money that could be won if a couple made it to the end, or that fact that there are all couples in the house, during Ashleas exit interview last week. I think the whole point of keeping the exact amount from the couples when they were casting, was to make them wonder. If anyone goes back in that has been given the exact amounts, they would tell and that would be the end of it.

That doesn't mean that evicted HG's may not play some part in the future, but I just don;t think they are going to let anyone back in that knows too much of the "SOS".

Also, I do think the gumball machine is key to opening the safes, but I don;t think this is the week for it. I think this week was the gym. They have to spread the surprises out over the course of the show.

It pisses me off as much as manyone else that Michael is not gonna get some vengeance, but hey, we never know. Maybe, by some stroke of genious, Howie maybe got Rachel to vote for him, maybe James and Sarah, that would only be 4, so 2 more would be need for a win and 1 more for a tie, which we all know would go with Eric choosing Mike.

Mike has no hope (partially his own fault for giving up), unless there is a major twist, which I don;t expect because it would make it look like BB was interferring too much.

IMHO

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Well, you all know I am a guy and I DEFINATELT wanna see that shit Remember, I am the porn freak hhahahaha

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oh and if it is posted, please PM me.

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I think if someone lied about a HG having a criminal past of some kind, the others would figure i out pretty easily, CBS/BB does do a background check and criminal check. Sexual Harrassment is only a "crime" if committed in the workplace. You can't just accuse someone of sexual harrassment by walking past them on the street and not liking how they looked at you. That is what keeps pissing me off. Eric and his flock keep acting like staring, touching, making advances are all sexual harrassment. Would only be true if everyone in the house worked together. And obviously they can't live together much less work together LOL

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If Howie's hardon the pother night was as big as everyone makes it seem, wouldn't it split his little Beauliciouos in half? Hell, I would pay to see that LOL

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While I don;t think it is a waste of money ( I AM a BB fan from season one), I definate think this is one of those seasons that will get better towards the end (hoping?)

But, I would highly recommend that anyone who has an issue, call Arnold Shapiro and let him know. He is the guru behind this stuff and he is the one that needs to hear opinions. I called the other night after the Fight and left a very nice voice mail. Don;t be rude, and make sure you can give a suggestion as well as criticize.

The number is 818 - 655 -6869 or you can email him at ASPproductions@aol.com

Unless we speak up, they give us what they think we want

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ok, I will keep this short

CountryAngel? You are high if defend Eric in any of this (and remember, he was a favorite of mine at first)

Should Kayser have hit Ivette? Normally I am 100% against any abuse of women, but since Ivette is not good enough to be considered a woman (jusy like having a dick doesn't make you a man i.e. Eric) I wish he would knocked her block off. After gher calling him Saddam and saying all the shit she has just because she is predujiced against Iraqi's? Yeah, I would have cheered if he had hit her. (Sorry folks)

Mike did not incite anything, if you watch the show again, Eric even said "If Mike comes out" that shit was gonna start. When Mike came out he ignored the table and went to the hot tub and glanced over. Eric was the one looking for trouble.

Last, Trust me, if I was in the house, you could call my mother a bitch, a whore, whatever. I have lived my life being called a fag and numerous other things. I alwqays laugh when people do that. I always wonder if name calling really hurts me in some way. Yes, I am a fag? Your point? Good obsevance. If you went after my family? I would not feel threatened, I would just think that maybe you were still in 2nd grade. And my mom and dad and everyone else in my family would probably get a kick out of it cuz they were at least mentioned on the show.

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I watched tonights episode with much anticipation and glee. Most of all, I liked the fact that they showed a realistic and fuller version of the sat night fight that we have all been so fired up about. (By the way, anyone who says that Mike instigated needs to go back and watch agaion, Eric specifically said, BEFORE Mike came out, that if he did come out, the shit was gonna start. Mike did come out and walked right past the table. He went to the hot tub and literally glanced over. Eric was the one who said "You gotta problem?", THEN Mike started in and called him the midget. Mike never even made a gesture like he was gonna fight)

ok, so anyways, I see the POV contest, look at the clock and notice it is getting close to the l;ast segment which we knew would be the POV ceremony, but, I had a feeeling that maybe, they might squeeze something in right after, showing Mike opening the safe and then the announcer would come on and say, what has Mike found, can it save him? Some kind of teaser. Something to make you DEFINATELY not wanna miss Thurs live show. Buut all we heard was the same old "It will be a live eviction where anything can happen...Yawn. I would think that if there was a chance in hell that Mike had found something that could change the game, they would have teased us. Unfortunately, I think Mike is gone. Let's hope I'm wrong.

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Ok, the feeds were down for 6 - 8 hours. We have heard that people were sequestered in seperate areas, Eric has said he was in the Diary Room for 2 1/2 hours, The producers were called in, the HG's were obviously told not to discuss what happened, Eric supposedly had to apologize to Mike.

Ok, now if this is Reality, shouldn't they have shown what happened on the feeds? I can understand cutting for a bit as the event happened, but it was 8 hours before they came back up. Since it is Reality TV, shouldn;t the public get to see what happened? Obviously, we have no control over what happens, but shouldn't we at least be given the facts?

My idea of what happened is that they seperated everyone, talked to Eric, talked to Mike and convinced them that this makes for great TV and they will be starts. Mike has already said he was willing to walk, but they convinced him to stay. What could they say that would convince him? Especially since it is basically guaranteed he would be leaving on Thurs? Something must have been offered. Do the other HG's know exactly what took place behind the scenes? Did they call them all together and ask what people thought?

I have never been one to agree wityh the idea that the producers have a whole lot of control, becasuse I have always had the feeds. Even though what they show on TV is not always accurate, I at least know the real story. But this time, it just seems strange. Something this big and the HG's are yold not to discuss, the 2 major players are both still in the house, no penalty nimination, no nothing. It is like it never happened and I find that really odd. If I was in the house and it was this early in the game, I would have walked. Nothing they could say to me could allow my good name to be desecrtaed like Mikes has. So something HAD to have happened behind the scenes, but no one will talk. And I bet after the fact, no one will talk either. It makes me wonder what kind of threats the Producers can make that would make someone stay. At this point, there is no reason for Mike to be in the house. He is not contributing in any way and stays locked in the gold room with Janelle all day. What purpose does that serve? They could have let him walk and done much more drama wise showing someone with integrity (unlike Eric) walk out and say screw you.

I just find it all a bit odd. Maybe there is a surprise coming that we all are not privy to. But if they somehow coerced Mike to stay in the house and he still leaves on Thurs. I will be very disappointed. The only thing I can hope is that maybe at the last minute, right before voting, they announce that Crappy has a penalty nom and is on the block (it is pretty in my fantasy world hehehehhe). Not that I think it would make a difference, but that leaves the question of WHAT they said to make Mike stay.

Just curiouos

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Well, all I can say is that there seems to be ALOT of racist and bigoted remarks made in the house this year and most of them are coming from Eric and Ivette and April. Although many of the hateful things that occur in the house are done for game reasons, I don;t think anyone in their right mind would use racism as a strategy, so I hope that the people that are associated with these folks in the real world, see what low lifes they really are and call them on it.

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Patsy, you are soooo funny. I am sooo happy that you are posting.

As for QW, I never harrassed or stalked Marcellus. If you knew the whole story, you would feel foolish for even posting about it. I have nothing against him and actually find him funny on HC. Othet than that, no interest whatsoever. I would say instead of trying to comment on something you know very little about and calling me a stalker or harrasser, you get the facts. Yawn, that was all last year, I think everyone involved has moved on. You should try and do the same.

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I do know that a couple HG's (sorry, I can't rmember who" were in there the other day looking and when they removed the picture from the wall again (this was after Janelle and Kayser did) BB came over and told them to PUT IT BACK.

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I agree with everything you said Scottish, except for that fact that Michael has done anything that would make him a sexual predator. On everything else, I agree 100%

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Morty

First, nice to see you back, but I have to disagree, only becuase I know someone with Endemol who works on BB's in other countries. According to them, Scott was called in and said he COULD handle the situation and Shapiro and folks after a long debate, where Scott was left sitting in the DR, was told he would need to leave due to legal and safety issues. It was then spun in the press to protect Shapiro and Company and Endemol etc, that he chose to leave on his own. This is why he was not allowed to comment and had to in fact sign a confidentiality agreemant stating that he would not come back for the finale and that he would be paid for the time he was in the house, plus a bonus for not speaking publicly about the incedent.

I would never try to correct you, but I have no idea where your facts are coming from and I have someone who is an Endemol employee who is telling me this. According to my source, The Shapiro/ Endemol group are pretty intense when it comes to covering up this stuff. It is about ratings and not bad publicity and they would gladly pay a small sum, to shut someone up, then risk a ratings decline.

My source calls them the BB Mafia. And they don;t laugh when they state that.

No hard feelings, just wanted to make sure people got both sides.

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All I can say is I can't waitb for the sheep to see the final tapes and realize what asses they were. The real fireworks will be at the reunion show. And I hope that certain people are dignified enough to NOT show up and show the sheep for exactly what they are

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For those of you that call in or watch the show, and if you are against Eric. Do the following. Start calling approx 15 minutes before the show (it is long distance and you will be on hold for a bit. the number is 323-227-1000. You will be asked by a screener what your question or comment is so make something up, cuz if you say it is about the Eric/Michael fight, they probably won't let you through. Fill the lines and when they answer just say "Either Eric goes, or we go as viewers" nothig else. And hey, if you are Eric supporters, so the same. The thing is, make a statement that is seen. We can write to CBS and sponsors, but they will not publicize that. But, if you take a stand, one way or another and just call, say Eric goes/Mike goes/ or we go and no chit chat, then everyone can see. And I would like to see how the 2 of them handle it. We all know they have been told not to discuss. It would then be interesting if they put it in the archives. There are many weeks ahead for people who want to comment and chat, but for Mon and Tues, use nothing but Eric/or Mike needs to go and let's see what the reaction is.

I for one, am waiting to hear from a source, who said they will contact me by Wed regarding my concerns. At that time I will make the final decision to support the show or not. As I told mr Shapiro on his email, it will be a sad, sad day for me to stop watching BB. But, I will not acccept violence against another person for any reason, not being addressed according to the rules (this obviously pertains to Eric plotting and instigating physical violence against Michael) and letting the attacker stay on the show after what we have seen previously leading to people being kicked off the show. I also stated that I think this sets a bad precedent for seasons to come. I for one would not feel safe going into the show knowing that they allow that behaviour.

So, really look at the footage and the transcripts, ignore the 4 people who only post to defend Eric, look at all the posts and call and make a stink, or don't. Either way, I will not sit by and let CBS get away with a violation of the rules. If they wanna have shepp on their show, great, but I will not be one in life.

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Well, I just called and left Mr Shapiro my number and my message. I have written to all advertisers and I have also written to my local CBS affiliate. Not that it will do much good and not that it matters

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To Boriqua&Proud

Latina women are fabulous and I have many friends that fit that term. Ivette is just a poor choice in then representation of Latina women. I am actually surprised, because BB has usually done a decent job when it comes to minorities of putting people in the house that while yes, they may be stereotypical, they also show the public the real side of whoever they are and can positively affect how people on the ouside think about them. This yeear though, they seem to be on crack. They have Ivette, who, I don;t care what background she came from, is a bigot, and trailer trash. April is the same. Beau, I was hoping would be a string gay black man, but instead, he is the typical gay queen stereotype and also thinks he can be healed of his Homosexuality. Disgusting ion this day and age. Howie? I hoped for one or more of him cuz they make the show fun, even if irritating at times, Kaysar, bold choice which I know from the beginning would be failure just because in the weeks before the show, everyone on CBS. COM was against him, just because he was from Iraq. Srah and James? I am all for putting a couple in, but a couple only together 4 months and one (Sarah) obviously not secure enough to handle? Wrong. Ashleas and Janelle were ok, and I liked Eric and Maggie at first becuase I respect their professions, but Eric is now on my hate list, although maggie is still up in the air. Rachel, I am liking her more and more now that we are seeing her inside the house more. Michael is the one I feel the most for. He seems like a great guy who has had lies piled on him and their was literally nothing he could do about it. I wish there had a been a house full of people like him. Playful, fun, sexual, intelligent, people looking to play a game yes, but have a fun summer as well. This has to be the most disappointing cast yet. But, please don;t let Ivette or anyone else reflect on you. They are individuals and do not speak for any whole group.

It is just bad casting by CBS yet again. They need to get back to 14 real people

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I will just come out and say that if you check the posts of NoDoubt and Sc-Steeler, they seem to want to stir people up. All of this crap about sexual harrassment and going over the line is just stupid. If it was a workplace? Yes, then this behavior would be not tolerated or accepted, but as much as people wanna believe or convince themselves that BB is a workplace, it is not. Also, sexual harrassment in the workplace, requires the person who was offended to come forward and make the complaint. None of the women have. And even if they did, they would have a hard time proving that Mike was the person they were afraid of, as long as Howie is in the house. And Beau would now have to be considered a "sexual harrasser" after tonights show. But you don;t see No

Doubt or sc-Steeler going after anyone except Michael.

All of these women on the show say that they are strong and independent, but they can't tell Michael to stop? Well, it would be hard for them to do that if they continue to let Howie disparage them, but for some reason, even though Howie does the most disgusting things, that is fine? It is easy to see, with or without feeds if you are reading this board that the main disgusting stuff is coming from Howie. But he is loved for some reason. After seeing Beau molesting Kayser this evening, shouldn't the sheep have all come to Kaysers rescue?

We have a few people on this board who just want to stir the pot, or don;t live in America, or are the ones that perpetuate this new idea that a look, a touch, or even playful jab is "sexual harrassment" and let's call the lawyers. Please, I am 36, have been in the workplace for 20 years now and have seen people lose their carreers over something that was "misinterpreted" and it is a joke. When people went to court over an episode of Seinfeld and claimed sexual harrassment, I knew we were on a downhill slope. But hey, let them keep it up, soon no one will be able to look, touch, or even be near someone else in public or private, at work or at home. and then NoDoubt and sc-Steeler will be able to sit at home alone, and be proud of what they have supported. And no one willl be there to come to their rescue....for fear of being sued.....for sexual harrassment.

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Who Will try to take over as the next Sheep Herder. When the lead Sheep dies, a member of the herd must step up.

Will it be April or Ivette?

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YESSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

!!!!!!!

Dep (Doing the bye bye Eric Happy Dance)

Your man Kaysar takes that title, not Ivette.

NoDoubt, are you high? If so, please send me some pof what you are smoking, because a fantasy world like yours would be great to live in. Ivettes voice, her attitude, her having to talk over everyone, her incessant habit of repeating a sentence over and over and over, her "I am Latin, so I can be a bitch" attitude is totally disgusting. I am actually surprised that Beau puts up with it. She is disgusting (at least as she is portraying herself on the show) and annoying. And if anyone should take blame in the fight and the hours of Fish besides Eric, it should be her and April. They have fanned the flames to Eric over and over and helped in his snapping tonight.

Kaysar is nothing but a quiet, intelligent soul who is trying to play a game with some modicum of decency. He has been called Sadaam, he has had to defend Iraqi and Muslim people because of the ignorance inside the house. He has been on the block and handled it with dignity and he has done his best to try to keep things calm when his friend is now nominated and being gang banged without lube on national TV. Even as the fight broke out he was trying to calm things down, while Ivette was continuing to rile things up.

You need to rethink your opinions I think. Sit back and look at all the actions

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