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6 hours ago, Apsladye said:

Ok, I get it now based on your reply.  I am totally turned off.  I am still holding out that BB will fix the situation by Thursday.  If not I have better things to do with my time.

I don't think they'll fix it. It serves the storyline they have been cultivating to leave it the way it is, even though he clearly broke the rules (verified by KC, JC, Scotty, Liz and @realvegas4sure).

I'm actually considering ditching the show, too. I HATE the fakeness of WWE, and this has brought into focus that I've been putting up with the same thing on Big Brother even though I knew in the back of my mind it's the same thing. It's just SO BLATANT with this rules violation.

The fact that this became the #1 thread for the year for views in BB20 General discussion in just 3 days says a lot about the level of interest in this excused cheating by production.

4 hours ago, Lindarmassengale said:

Someone said this is just entertainment. Is it really? There is a 500,000 prize and all who play hard should be respected. I’m a Tyler fan but rules were not followed and someone else could be losing out on winning that prize! I was really hoping B.B. was not rigged and have never thought so but this makes me feel different! I hope B.B. does the right thing

 

There's big money on the line for WWE wrestling, too. That's completely scripted/rigged.  The FCC ruled that Big Brother is "for entertainment only" and in that classification it is understood that they are fixing the game and/or have already chosen the ending/winner.  Completely legal, and totally allowed. Big Brother is not a competition, and it's not a contest. It's barely a game once you realize the comps are crafted to achieve the goals of production (promote favored player for the storyline they're pushing).  A lot of people don't seem to know this, and I can see the Tyler Country Fair-gate thing turning people off of the show.

1 hour ago, CuriousGeorge said:

"Side bar, if this goes uncorreted, it will lead others to think that the show is rigged and/or CBS/BB has a preference."

 

Swaggy already thinks it is rigged and he said so while he was in the house:

 

https://youtu.be/NzcDge1zAJA

IT IS RIGGED.  The Big Brother show is entertainment (not a competition, not a contest), and as such they are legally allowed to fix the outcome however they want, just like WWE.  FCC has ruled on it already, years ago.  They've been doing it for years (most blatantly last year), but this particular time it's especially bad since the general public can see the rules being completely broken in a key competition and production allowing it because Tyler/Angela is their main storyline and they don't want to lose either one.

2AM -3AM BBT In the back yard, Brett coaching Scottie to  stay away from Hay so much and trying to give him a shot at staying so they can make a foursome to take on Tyler and Angela because Brett is getting bad vibes on Level 654 and wants to bail.  Scottie says he needs a place to go so he's open to it. They're comparing notes and stories to get a bead on what the reality of the house really is. Lots of recycled conversation, but that's the basic idea. In their idea, Brett, Scottie, Sam, and JC (2:38AM BBT) become the new power in the house.  [It'll never work. It would take a miracle. - BBLurkerPlus]

29 minutes ago, CuriousGeorge said:

Maybe RealVegas can pop a quick shot of the rulebook up on her feed so we can stop speculating. 

According to Lina(the tweeter that Morty used for the video of Tyler), Kaycee said that "both feet" need to remain on the platform.  Should we go back and scrutinize the feeds and see if any competitors raised one foot and altered the outcome?  Maybe the DR versions of the rules are just a cover so the one-footers don't lose their final standing in the competition. 

 

 

You have no idea what you're talking about. Just WATCH THE VIDEO IN THE SECOND POST OF THIS THREAD.  KC CLEARLY says you have to keep ONE FOOT on the DISC at ALL TIMES.  Watch it for yourself before you spout off more completely wrong info.  And RealVegas4sure DID quote the rule in her tweet - the only rule that matters in this comp.

4 minutes ago, CuriousGeorge said:

You don't know that.  What you do know is that the contestants have different versions of the rules that aren't available to us. 

I know that now in FOUR versions recounting the rules ALL of them say that no feet on the disc is disqualification.  That's on video, there's no disputing it.

KC, Scottie, JC, and Liz (BB17) all said it.  Also @realvegas4sure confirmed one foot at all times has been the rule since BB17.  

So yeah, the evidence is pretty overwhelming just from what we DO have.

3 minutes ago, CuriousGeorge said:

In that video JC understands that feet(plural) had to be on the platform.  The DR people say foot.

 

Sounds like the rules were pretty vague. 

They were not vague about 0 feet on the disc. All versions recounted were at LEAST one foot on the disc, or optionally two.  0 is disqualification in all scenarios.

This reads like production telling Tyler and Angela to diffuse the situation by trying to push the narrative that feet off the disc is okay.  JC clearly wasn't read in and keeps trying to say that, no, the rule was (and IS) that you have to keep one foot on the disc.  This took place after production knew that people were posting stuff from the Sunday broadcast reinforcing that Tyler should have been DQed.  I wouldn't be surprised if production was behind this.

9 minutes ago, Cherry463 said:

Do a reset of the week.. Like they did here in Canada it’s a great game changer and will help this error, If this is how big brother play and have pre determined Tyler the winner I will have to possibly quit watching this show. If though I enjoy and have not missed a season .. The thing is How are the players in this game going to feel once it’s over and see this.. It’s always going to be could’ve should’ve and haunt them for years. It’s not fair to them in the house or the viewers.. It’s a what if scenario.

And unlike us, THEY all HEARD the rules from production directly on the PA and KNOW Tyler broke them.  If Ty wins, it will never be clean.  Hay will always wonder "what if".  It's completely not fair and has undertones of sexism.

SURPRISE!

1 minute ago, CuriousGeorge said:

Is it a "blatant rule violation?"

 

So far we have seen DR testimonials as to what the rules were interpreted to be by participants who lost. We have not seen the actual rules. Until then as far as we know Tyler was allowed to pick his feet up higher than the disc.  

 

Find the rules and then make the case.

3 Separate rule readings from the DR agree, and they were recorded at different times.  That, plus the amateurish overdub of Angela reading the rules with different audio in the middle AND the confirmation from realvegas that the rules have been at least one foot on the disc AT ALL TIMES since BB17 is PLENTY of compelling evidence.

15 minutes ago, Streid said:

100% they need to go back and fix this mistake. It's about the integrity of the game and the rules they set out. By not fixing it they are disregarding there own rules and making it look like they are rigging the game maybe because they think tyler is there favorite. The evidence is clear and there is lots of time to fix it, he should be out based on the time his feet come off and hayliegh should be HOH. Bring them to the living room tell them what happened and show them the footage. Give hayliegh 5 minutes to make her noms then do a Q and A POV comp. 

Can they do that? Yes. Will they do that? Unlikely.  I think they're trying to just hope it blows over.  The more people that forward this story with the CLEAR PROOF he should have been DQed to news outlets, the less chance they can get away with doing nothing.

5 minutes ago, DeziBlue said:

They could do a reset week. Also remove JC for his inappropriate behavior. My opinion .. Even though Haleigh and Ty said they aren't threatened by JC, is it "right" to allow him to continue to vie for the prise money?? Rejecting JC and having a reset would eliminate a triple eviction others are talking about.

Yeah, a rewind of this week, and a DE next week, and then just watch JC for his next infraction and use that to eliminate him (he's WAY overdue - 3x grabbing Ty's crotch, tying bathroom door open while Hay using it, bajina scooping with ice-cream scooper, N-word usage as recently as last week after multiple warnings...the list goes on and on).

That would fix it and be fair to Hay, who clearly won the HoH, but doesn't know it.

2 minutes ago, WOC said:

Hay did not win and we'll never know if she would of. If Tyler had dropped out of the contest at that point in the game then the results would have been completely different because they weren't playing alone at that point. It wasn't just him and Hay left when this happened.

The only thing that's certain is Tyler didn't win.  Hay likely would have won.  Everyone that dropped off was exhausted or sick. They wouldn't have lasted longer just because Ty dropped.  Hay went 17 minutes after the last non-Ty competitor dropped.  NONE of them were overcoming that.

1 minute ago, Littlesarabella said:

CBS needs to go back and give Hailey the title of HOH. It is clear it was an over site, but it would be totally sad to see them just let this situation go. To redo the comp is not fair either. They each suffered injuries from the original comp and with this footage it is very clear unknowingly Tyler messed up. In the real world and you make mistakes, they are fixed and corrected. As a fan from season 1 till now, when there has been a question as to comps...they always check the footage and correct it. So I have nothing against Tyler, but Hailey clearly won. She can even once seeing the footage herself will have a good reason to bring legal counsel in. Even though it is a game.....game rules have to be followed! CBS, do the right thing and fix your oversite. Otherwise this show will appear as a rigged reality show!!

There's no legal case because this is a "for entertainment only" program where the ending can be pre-determined, despite appearances (i.e. production can make whoever they want the winner by meddling in DRs or comps):

The FCC literally categorizes Big Brother as a "for entertainment only" program, “similar to professional wrestling in that it is a pseudo-contest in which the outcome is fully, or in some measure, predetermined.”  This is the FCC's exact words.

But yeah, this is the most blatant problem/cheat in years, and it's played out with video proof.

26 minutes ago, CuriousGeorge said:

I saw that video, I was curious if you can also put up the video, if it is available, of the host for the BB17 competition reading the rules to the competitors. 

 

 

They didn't show host reading rules on the broadcast or live feed of BB17 or BB18, AFAIK.  Julie only summarized a couple rules live for BB17 (S17E29) and BB18.  All we have is the houseguests referring to the rules in their DR, but they all agree, so the rule is clear.  Realvegas also confirmed that's been the rule all along.

1 minute ago, CuriousGeorge said:

 I was confusing a Veto comp, where you don't get a live feed, with an HoH comp, where you do. I see what you are saying now. Thanks, BBlurkerPlus

 

Do you have the ability to dig up an earlier rule reading from the previous competition you posted on the Sunday thread?

I put up video from BB17 Episode 30 where Liz also states the 1 foot rule.  It's definitely a thing.

11 minutes ago, CuriousGeorge said:

I'm not sure how the feeds work after a competition is completed. Is the "broadcast" version of Angela reading the rules different than one of the feeds that you get to watch?  If it is the only version and you assume it was edited to cover up the actual rules, why would they include the Tyler violation when they made the feeds available? 

 

IOW, why not cover up the violation that led to the rule "edit" if you have the ability to remix everything prior to making it available?  Doesn't make sense. 

 

If BB has never gone back to the tapes to change a ruling on the field I don't see this as reason enough to change things now.

 

 

The live feeds weren't turned on until AFTER the competition started, so the full rule reading over the PA by production (and the "any questions" section) plus the short version by Angela were not heard on the live feeds.  All we got is what Angela read (and re-dubbed) for the broadcast and the reference to the rule by KC and Scottie.

The actual rule being broken WAS shown live on the feeds and captured, so CBS can't go back and erase that. They chose the second-best thing - cover up the reading of the rule about you must have 1 foot on the disc at all times.  It was a bad coverup on many levels.  Hay was robbed of an HoH she fought hard for and won based on the rules.

11:50AM BBT Houseguests are back from VETO and WAY too happy.  Did production fix the comp problem?

Just now, morty said:

You are correct.  There was an image of the letter the FCC sent as a reply to complaints, I can't find it, but I had it.

I can post it, if you want.  Lots of complaints about EvelDick's behavior to the FCC (people were apparently more upset than I knew at the time) and the FCC keeps tiredly quoting that it's like pro wrestling legally, not a game show. 

Also, BTW, the FCC literally categorizes Big Brother as a "for entertainment only" program, “similar to professional wrestling in that it is a pseudo-contest in which the outcome is fully, or in some measure, predetermined.”  This is the FCC's exact words. So treat the show as seriously as professional wrestling and realize production is pushing storylines and characters, rules be damned.

1 hour ago, JustJanToo said:

 

No, I am assuming that no one noticed.   But if BB tried to fix it = as BBwatchr suggested = the other houseguests would know what happened.   

 

 

 

And again, I don't think that Tyler cheated, it was just a BB mistake at not catching it.  But ... that's not to say the Jury and people not in his alliance would see it that way if they found out. 

 

 

Angela knows or suspects something is up. She read the rules that they made her re-dub the middle of later to remove the 1-foot rule. She also commented when Tyler struggled to stay on his disc when his feet slipped off for a whole half turn of the contraption.  But since it benefits them, she's not saying anything.  But it will be completely clear to Hay when she gets out that she was robbed (literally) of an HoH that could have changed her and Scottie's complete game by production.

4 hours ago, CLG92416 said:

I’m a Tyler fan,

Exactly. I'm not even a Haleigh fan but she was clearly robbed of a hard fought win, and had to battle almost 20 minutes longer in a hard comp because of the DQ not being called on Tyler.  She deserves to be given the chance she earned.

It actually happened at 11:03:10PM BBT BEFORE Sam fell. Ty should have been the second person out, making Sam 3rd out. KC was out at 11:31, which would have been when Hay won if Ty was called out. Instead she had to play an extra 16 minutes and production gave the win to Ty then tried to cover up the rule violation with edits.

They should do a rewind this week to fix it.  Hay should not be cheated after competing in the comp so hard and Ty clearly breaking the rules.

Kaycee recounting the rules that say you need to keep at least 1 foot on the disc at all times in the video below:

Scottie ALSO referring to the "keep one foot on the disc" rule, though he says if one foot comes off he's out.  So, one foot off (Scottie recounting) or two feet off, either way, Tyler was disqualified and not called for it.

Liz from BB17 Episode 30 repeating the "1 foot on disc at all times rule" for same comp in the video below:

Sunday night in the house, Angela referring to the 1 foot rule, then JC insisting that "they" said you had to keep your feet on the disc in below video. (This feels VERY MUCH like Production prompted Tyler and Angela to have this conversation for the outraged live feeders, but JC clearly didn't get the memo because he keeps insisting on the actual rules they all heard - to keep at least one foot on the disc)

Broadcast version of the Sunday show where it's 100% clear that Angela's audio in the middle was replaced with a reading of rules in a different sound environment. It likely replaced the 1 foot on the disc rule when production realized they had a problem of Tyler being disqualified they had to cover up.

Big Brother production knows Tyler lost. They're clearly covering it up (poorly). If Ty had been out 2nd by disqualification, the competition would have ended about 20 minutes earlier when Hay was the last one standing on her disc.  Big Brother owes her a rewind week to fix this.  If they don't, they have openly cheated their own long-standing rule for this HoH competition.

Video of Scottie's mishap with the hammock at 4:49PM BBT today.

Also, after the broadcast show aired and Kaycee repeated production's rules for the country fair HoH comp, it's clear that Tyler should have been disqualified and the second person out of the comp (before Sam) when his feet were completely off the disc for 1/2 a revolution at 11:03PM BBT while he tried to regain his balance. Hayleigh actually won the comp according to the rules.

Kaycee recounting the rules that say you need to keep at least 1 foot on the disc at all times...

Scottie ALSO referring to the "keep one foot on the disc" rule, though he says if one foot comes off he's out.  So, one foot off (Scottie recounting) or two feet off, either way, Tyler was disqualified and not called for it.

Liz from BB17 Episode 30 repeating the "1 foot on disc at all times rule" for same comp

Broadcast version of the Sunday show where it's 100% clear that Angela's audio in the middle was replaced with a reading of rules in a different sound environment. It likely replaced the 1 foot on the disc rule when production realized they had a problem of Tyler being disqualified they had to cover up.

Big Brother production knows Tyler lost. They're clearly covering it up (poorly). If Ty had been out 2nd by disqualification, the competition would have ended about 20 minutes earlier when Hay was the last one standing on her disc.  Big Brother owes her a rewind week to fix this.  If they don't, they have openly cheated their own long-standing rule for this HoH competition.

6:26PM BBT Feeds still out.

1:56PM BBT KC recognizes the house brand name of some of the junk food production supplied. It's a "Smart and Final" store brand. She knows because she used to work at Smart and Final.