NYROSE

Actually I think her head was fixing to explode!

Marty can weigh in on this one LOL

I agree no episode watchers voting. I do not agree that they should be kept from one another. This is a social game and influence in that milieu seems a fair part of it. How Dan left each person, was part of his legacy toward the result. He lost because of that. He was the master manipulator in the moment and it made for great TV as he put on the funeral ( I could not believe the tears HGs shed LOL) and voting out Shane (we all loved the jaw drop (did she have to see a dentist?) ) But in the aggregate, he did not win. Had he won the last HoH he would have taken Danl and won. So in the clinch, he lost; he lost. Whatever the jury felt, was his making. He lost. As much as I admired his ingenuity with story telling, I know tht Ian won fair and square. No tampering with the jury by BB in terms of manipulating the vote by how they structure the game would have been better.

NYROSE ..you don't seem happy here. I am beyond annoyed scrolling past your flaming posts. All Empty worthless gibberish. Not what I come here to read.

Actually really like most of the interaction here, and am quite happy thank you for caring. But since you are not happy with my writing, Then after this just skip anything I write. No pressure from me for you to read my writing.

Hope you are laughing at the misspelling despise LOL

Yes but opinions are being said about the POSTERS in this forum. They are being told if they have an opinon that someone is chubby that they are expressing a form of racisism.

There is one human race. What makes for the notion of Caucasian, Negro, Asian? Those are genetic visual differences. What makes for fat people? genetic difference that results in a visual difference. The basis is the same. Just think about it and don't be offended, I know that a person is not a KKK in attitude because they are societally swayed to despise a body type.

No one has said that it is against the rules. NYROSE was stating an opinion, just like you. It is not against the rules to say Dan is a lying satanist scumbag, but people still reply with opposing posts. How is this any different?

Many of us are of the opinion that one shouldn't have to be anorexic to be on Survivor or Big Brother and that it is harmful to our society to automatically attack anyone who doesn't measure up to our "ideal". We are entitled to express this opinion.

yes that is part of where I am coming from, but also if Marty thinks about how racism operates, it is mainly on the basis of looks. That is all I am saying, so maybe people might start to think of why they are prejudging people on the basis of looks. Even the male attraction to a stick with balloons on top is a product of conditioning. That view of what is female beauty was not present in other times. For women to undergo surgery in order to have the vaunted body shape is horrible. They are literally risking their LIVES to attract a man. In nature, the male works to attract the female. Only humans skew the 50 50 numbers of men to women by killing off men in wars. Then women are numerous and men can demand that women vie for them by offering whatever the man craves. No one gets to be in a relationship based on real love and natural sexual attraction.

You really think that after tonight episode? LOL! He had no intention of bringing her to the F2... He 'might' have threw the 3rd part of the final HoH (we don't know for sure, so if that was his intention he already backstabbed Danielle once again after she threw the 1st part hoh for him).

Now say he didn't threw the final part tonight: if he was going to bring her to the f2, why didn't he tell her about his promise with Ian? Danielle was shocked when Ian exposed Dan's secret deal with him. Promising on his grandfather's golden cross...

Till the end, Dan was loyal to NO ONE... not even to Danielle or Ian.

Agreed Dan not loyal to anyone, but he would definitely have taken Danl to f2 because he knew he would win. He knew he could not win against Ian. If I am sure of anything this I am certain of about this man in this game and how the jury viewed him and Danl. His better play would have won out against the bitter jury because Danl was not a good game player, she just got lucky to get dragged along by a coach who saw her as the most malleable loyal person in there. Dan used Danl it is not using someone to allow them to use you. When the coaching ended, it did not end for Danl and Dan knew she wanted a man to lean on and would do his bidding under the guise that he was her coach. What a fairy tale she went for.

Dan was attentive to Danielle for a considerable period of time. They were together constantly. That situation seldom happens in real life - nothing to do but be together. It would be easy to develop a crush on someone assiduously mindful of your moods, wants and needs. Especially so, if that person is devious and planets cleverer than you.

Dan picked the right sidekick but I don't believe for a second that he cared for Danielle. I believe that Dan realizes the situation with Danielle but Dan wanted the money and nothing else mattered; no matter what he says.

Hey slimcruz no matter what he says? LMAO that is exactly what he said.. just reminding the rest who may have forgotten in the mist.

There are a lot of posts going around yt and cbs about this haha. I would love to see something like that happen ! However, please don't mix this group with the newbies... I hate when the house starts out with a set alliance already...

I think they prob have enough to make an entire household of first day evictees to make up a house. It would be funny and would not make for an auto alliance as you point out.

For Danl voting for Dan at the end was some fulfillment of her sense of who she was. It was an expression of her philosophy and identity. Every one of us has a bottom line on how far one goes for loyalty. Dan said he would have taken her to the final two. Ian's jaw dropped almost like Danl's when Dan voted out Shane.

Altho I am glad Ian won, I do wish he had shown that he was on to Dan and taken Danl. That would have been true mastery.

As for Dan irritating people and they do not know how to put a finger on it. Remember Dan said that he saw a lot of himself in Ian. Remember how awkward Ian was at the beginning? He figured out how to stop being that bad, but he was always marked as not really being IN like not one of the rest. Well I think Dan has always been that way and has compensated by getting himself into a position to coach the very people who did not accept him as a kid. So if you are one of the IN people and are irritated by the Dan's and Ian's of the world...that is what has gotten to you all this season. IMO

I try to never attack the HGs for the way they look. My criticisms are of their personalities. Danielle exhibited too many insecure tendencies and probably why she followed Dan so blindly instead of thinking for herself. Her insecurities always needed constant reassurance from the other HGs as to how she looked compared to some of the other girls. Conversations were always turned to be about her. The duck faces, smiling in the mirror are just not normal to me, especially when you know the cameras are on and all of America is watching.

Along with these insecurities, she seemed to be a habitual liar. I mean really . . . you break your back and you dad has to carry you out of a swamp? Does she think people believe all the crap she spouts? So no I don't feel sorry for her in the least.

Ashley seems like a sweet person but I don't have much respect for anyone who can't form a complete sentence when asked a question. She really lives in her own world.

When I think about lookism (judging a person on looks), it occurs to me it is the source of racism. One looks at a person and knows they are of the group one is prejudiced against, so I think judging a person on their looks is at heart a kind of racism. Society sets up a notion that a person ought to be of a certain size or look and that too is based on some notion of what it means to be fat (or thin) or of what group one comes from that is beauty or ugly. Sure this is just a fan forum, and people can express their opinions, but my opinion about those opinions is also a valid expression of whether what is being said has real insight into the person or situation being talked about.

she deserved it? So it is okay that a man assaults any women if she deserves it? Last I checked it was never okay to blow smoke in someones face, purposely burn someone with a lit cigarette, destroy their property, or bully someone by poring ice tea on their head, but I guess since Dick found a way for you all to justify it there is nothing wrong with it? By the way I am still trying to figure out how a guy like Willie got expelled this season, and Dick did all he did to jen and never had any real penalties.

Yea I wondered that about the ED incident also I stopped watching that season I was so irritated at the HGs being willing to take what he dished out, not to mention BB allowing that violence against Jennell

There are much worse things you can do to people outside of lying to them about them getting what they want.

ok

I would not mind seeing some of the people who were evicted on day 1 get another chance.

Nope, I dislike her for following Dan so blindly throughout the whole game... My post was mainly focused on how judgmental people are on this forums... Yes, I am guilty of that too lol... but some people are just way too cruel when they make comments.

Her attitude could use a fixing, but calling her fat/ugly, etc... is just cruel... People always make cruel jokes against Ashley as well, but I think she has a great personality (maybe a bit too happy at times lol). No need to be so personal to calling people fat, etc... People are way too idle in the house so gaining an extra pound or two should be forgivable.

Yes this was my gripe with Danl too.

Thanks for posting the interviews. What happened to Jenn City? She showed her player ability toward the end of her stay. And for all of you who kept on about how fat Danl was, Did you see how thin she was here? I think all of you would have women become a stick with balloons such a nutty idea of what a woman's body ought to be. Grow up and let women be real.

This message board definitely added info and enjoyment to the game. Thanks for running it.

I think that A's fav can also go to a winner, so I do not think that was a factor in frank winnning. I admired Dan's abililty to sway people and blind side, but for all that he is an adult, he loves to stir the pot and get people upset while he just watches and laughs without them knowing he did it deliberately. I think everyone finally got that as his MO and that was what made them so angry. They were not so much bitter that he had done to them, they were angry that he had acted as he did. I think they finally put it all together esp when danielle asked if he was going to take her. And i do not think Dan threw the last comp. It would be hard to throw that given its random quality.

I was really surprised at how bitter the jury was also. They sounded like they thought that they were supposed to be allowed to cruise through the game just because they were there.

BB needs to do something about the final comp questions. Those are just dumb. The Brittany question about bartering cigarettes was just stupid. Why would a coach be embarrassed by that. A coach would be proud of his player bartering cigarettes for a vote. That would mean that player is willing to do whatever it takes to stay. Just a dumb ass question. .

I think Brit was embarrassed because every one thought it was too venal a bribe. I think everyone felt the same about Dan's monomaniacal interest in winning. Everyone else wanted to win as much. Dan thought his desire was more and justified what ever he did. They did nt feel that was true and were bitter that he treated them the way he did. BB is about being able to stick the knife in without making anyone feel abused. or at least the majority should not feel abused.

I am shocked that Ian made it as far in the game as he did. I am more than okay with it but I never thought in the beginning that he would be F2. It's amazing. I'll bet he is over the moon happy.

Ian really caught on quickly to how to deal with the kind of people he always wanted to hang with and was always shut out from. They thought he was creepy remember? But he figured how to dial it back and get in tune with them even to knowing them better than the master manipulator DAn in that final battle. Now who thinks Dan would have taken Ian to final 2? HA LOL

Frank is cute and charming. If he smells, no one in the audience knows that. His game play was friendly and relaxed even tho he was on the block so many times. I think America saw him as picked on undeservedly to be the good player who had to go. So they liked him as underdog with a cute look and nice tail wag and a kind of loyal spirit. America loves dogs. Frank had a doggy quality for sure.

He'd be a terrier for sure. You know with the cocked head, the tongue out, the tail wagging. Kind of like Disney's Tramp in the Lady and the Tramp.

Exactly. It's the only description possible for this season.

Janelle's lack of emotions are exactly why she has not won and why she is blinded by Dan's mastery of mist or manipulation. We do all manipulate and lie but there is still an undercurrent of reality that everyone responds to. Dan did not tap into that. Ian did. So Ian rightly won.

Danl has some growing up to do for sure, but why is everyone so mean to her? She was overmatched by Dan because she feels vulnerable and a lot of stuff in her life has made her feel that way if even half of what she has said about her life is true. These are issues that need some counseling. I hope that she can get to a Neuro Linguistic Programmer to work out all those "I am always the loser and will always be betrayed" thoughts to undo what ever stuff was done to her. And do not forget how much more life experience Dan has and he played that coach role to perfection with her exploiting her weaknesses.

Ian there are drug free methods to quiet your brain and leave your mind sharper than ever. Check out Neurofeedback by Cygnet. Stay away from drugs. Grow some of your own food, get real.

Dan did the best masterminding, but Ian masterminded and managed to keep from alienating. Now if someone only hips him to the mist of this society so he can escape the misery and pitfalls of dealing with people who have no soul and no interest in anything but fame and money, I would hope Ian could find a woman who will love him for himself and whom he can love also.

As I said, I wish all of you and most of you are Americans, would just get over whatever you think looks gross whether it is hairy-ness or baldness or lumps of fat or cellulite. People look different and if one's difference falls into the ugly category well put a burkha on and keep me from feeling nausea at the sight of you. I have never seen an ugly person until they open their mouths and show their soul to be prejudiced and stupid with canned society promoted aesthetics.