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She sure doesnt have too hard of a time showing hatred and meaness tho does she?

This all may be true, but she has a low down dirty way of doing it. Im one to admit that at one time I fell for janis (fake) charm. But after seeing her and how vile she was to another human being just because she can followed by how dirty her game is. I realize now being mean and dirty isnt just her game play...Its who she is...Can NOT respect a person like that.....Game or no game...Not to mention, she is now a 30something wife and mother. So seeing her prance around throwing her "stuff" in the guys faces constantly just makes me ill...And until tonight when I saw her STILL obsessing over WIllie calling him a bad father etc I was leaving this thought to myself. But what kind of mother leaves their brand new baby in the most exciting times of that babys life to play a game for a THIRD time to win money she could easily live with out??? I have 9month old twin girls, my 3rd and 4th and you could not pay me enough to miss their first words, steps and so much else...She has just really shown me she is NOT a good person. And I can not wait to see her face when boogie gets her again, and IF coaches dont come in...LOL.. Its called a botched nose job...lol

this is actually a REALLLY good idea!! And just may be the thing that WOULD get me to watch the show next season,...lol...I havnt even been watching my feeds anymore! In allllll these season! I have never went an hr let alone a cpl days...Im just not into this group of morons...Then tonight just a lil while ago I decide to and guess what...They are STILL bashing and judging willie...janelle thinks he is a bad father...Says the woman who left her first born daughter to play the same game she has played 2 other times trying to win money sure she could use but doesnt NEED...Hey she brought the bad parent thing up...So opened herself up to it haha

I dont recall any of the Hantz saying it wasnt in part or at all Willies fault, Willie himself has admitted he shouldnt have done it. But standing behind a member of your family showing them unconditional love and loyalty is a positive value to have and should not be compared to a serial child molester...

From what I have heard from others, there is a "self evict" door leading for the Pandoras Box room which this year is the HOH coaches room. I would venture to guess that fire codes would demand more than one exit (bc BY is totally enclosed) with so many people in such a confined space. So Im gonna guess there is more than one way out of there...

I agree with most of what you said. I even went back and see where Wille said bunch of C's (or Ps I think he said Ps not thats any better) then said P's again. Thats when Joe said your the only P I see around her bro. I guess seeing Joes reaction to things while he was still up in the HOH room where it is plain to me that he fully intended to engage in the situation is why I dont see things the same way as you. Sure they didnt show that on the show but it was on the feeds. So I just feel like Joe knew exactly what he was doing, getting himself into when he made the choice to go downstairs and antagonize the situation. Then while watching the show (even they couldnt edit it this joes way) I see it as them BOTH using agressive body language at the end of the "fight" when Joe was backing up Willie and just as its fair to say Joe had the right to put up his fists in a defensive way, the same can be said about Willie taking action to protect himself when Joe was coming at him. I want to stress again that I am not totally defending Willies actions or saying he should not or did not deserve to be expelled from the game. But whats good for one should be good for all and Joe is a grown man who made the choice (just as willie did) to jump in to the altercation. Knowing Willie was about to "blow" which were his own words. He had the chance to be the better man and keep his mouth shut and just let Willie vent and/or cool down but he chose to provoke him even more. And then again he had to choice to walk away when willie was still a good 2 feet away from him when willie ran into the BR but he CHOSE to buck up to him and become aggressive himself with he started to step towards wilIie. So with all of that together and with all of the stuff leading up to this point is why I say Joe was just as much at fault as Willie and why I feel Willie had every right to defend himself. To add to it, production even had to tell Joe not to follow Willie after they had already split up...l

That is prob the worst example to even be considered. Those kids were 100 percent innocent victims of a disgusting crime...There is also a difference in blood family loyalty and being loyal for selfish self serving reasons. Not to mention the fact that Willie was not 100% at fault here as that sick SOB was. Terrible comparison...

Im sorry if you felt as if I was trying to attack you opinion. I just think its important to have all the facts before being able to give a fair opinion of someone. As far as keep having family members on the shows, I totally agree. I have always felt its a shaft to the fans and people who spend so much time and effort trying out for these shows etc. Just as I think constantly bringing back old players (unless its an all star season) is getting boring and like beating a dead horse. As far as you knowing someone who knows them. Im the type of person who has to get to know someone myself before I can fairly form an opinion of them My opinion of Willie is he prob should not have been on such a high pressure show in the first place however I dont think he is a bad/violent person for being human with feelings. I do agree he needs to find better ways of expressing himself. But it doesnt make the actions of the others right or appropriate either. I still stand by what I said, they were both at fault so they both should have been expelled. ok Im done, I know i have a bad habit of being long winded haha.

I totally agree, and wanted to add if more of "america" held their family values to the same standard...loyalty...Then I think things would work out a lot better for everyone. But thats a whole other debate entirely lol..

Actually WIllie didnt call joe the c word..He made a blanket statement saying bunch of C's in this house (not sure if that the EXACT wording however he didnt specifically call Joe that word)...Wille did go running after Joe, however he stopped a good 2 feet infront of Joe, Joe continued to keep his fist up and in a fighting stance. That is when Willie said hit me blah blah. Then if you watch it was not Willie who backed Joe up proceeding with a chest bump, it was JOE who made that chest bump. and that is when he got a head but to the head. With all that said I dont condone Willies behavior nor do I feel he shouldnt have been expelled from the game. However Joe is just as much at fault in the situation as Willie was. He sought out to have a confrontation with WIllie. (You can see his premeditation by his actions in the HOH just before their fight when he is jumping around like a 5yr old getting all excited about Willie being "about to blow" He made the choice just as much as WIllie did to go down stairs and get involved. Most adults with any amount of common sense and integrity would have given Willie time to cool off and just leave him alone. However Joe chose the dirty low road (yet again)...Ive watch the fight portion of the show several times and it is clear to me they were both to blame in equal parts and that when you get down to it, words are just words, until you touch someone in a threatening way. Which I clearly see Joe doing first. My opinion would be completely different had Willie not stopped 2 feet away from Joe allowing Joe time to pause and think about what he was doing. He CHOSE to continue the physical threatening. IMO Willie had every right to defend himself. The actions of all of these so called adults is appauling to me. It reminds me of the mob mentality in which Jr high school kids would use. Its one thing to ":play the game" and another to just forget basic human kindness and treat another human being in such a disgusting embarrasing way. It wasnt enough for Joe to completely defame Willie and ruin his game with his made up BC he had to continue to rub salt in the wounds and rub it in Willies face every chance he got along with the other HGs..In my world this just isnt how you treat people. Game or no game.

Actually Willie did try to go into the DR just moments before all of this stuff went down..He stood at the door a good 3 mins buzzing and buzzing ( also knowing producton is ALWAYS watching) And the REFUSED to let him in.....So sorry your wrong about that one....Also the love honro and obey statement could be used however if this were true then Willie would most likely still be in the house considering it was Janelle and Britneys big idea to put Frank and Kara on the block (thinking of only their OWN game)...They just chose to use Willie as the fall guy when chit hit the fan...Also, If I remember correctly in the beginning Willie was all for the "team" until Britney spilled the beans on the whole coach twist idea and he decided/realized he was being manipulated. (If you look back now, janelle was very much using Brit so in essance her team) So as (imo a good sport would do) tried to give the other HGs a heads up while still trying to stay true to his promise to Britney by not telling anyone that SHE was the one who gave him this tib bit of information. But (and with Britneys help) the HGs took it the wrong way and thought that Willie just came out of left field with this information and was trying to force them to play HIS way thru intimidation (threatening that coaches would come in and run the game) If anything Willies biggest down fall was his loyalty to a coach who didnt even so much as deserve the time of day. Because while WIllie was going around protecting her from her "secret" She was going around making WIllie look like a complete fool acting as if she had "no idea" where he came up with that...The funny thing is, if Britney would have just come clean and admitted that she told Willie about the possible coaches twist, SHE could have put a lot of things into perspective for a lot of the HGs and possibly saved WIllie from a lot of the backlash. But instead she was more worried about saving face (her face) and not "having people (coaches) mad at her"...Well funny thing is it STILL all backfired at her and she is still the odd man out as far as coaches are concerned yet she still doesnt have the integrity to be honest, she just alienates her own team member and rallys the troops against him. Also, I think Willie having the "Hantz" name did him no favors as far as how he is being judged by the HGS AND the fans. If he hadnt already had that "bad boy" stigma attached to him the second he walked into the house peoples objectiveness may have been different. But just like you this is my opinion.

I know I can't either! I think some of them (Janelle for me) think they have a solid fan base, however who I like goes by their behavior in the house and how they play the game etc. So I am no longer will I ever been Team Jani...Willie had some fault in this whole situation too. But I wonder how a 30+ something mother can behave the way she does...

Your right about a lot of stuff here but the one thing that sticks out to me the most is you saying Willie made contact first, when Willie headbutted Joe it was in response to Joe backing him up and bumping him in the chest (only it was Joes stomach because of his pudge).Whic IMO gives Willie the right to defend himself. People can use words all day long. But as soon as you put your hands/body on someone its a whole nother story..(I watched the interaction between them that they played on the show several times And the first time it shows the contact is when Joe did it. Also, they were both to fault here. They BOTH instigated the situation. As feeds show right before they went down Joe was jumping like a 5yr old in HOH excited to "go make him blow"..They both crossed the line no matter which one started what first so the should both have been expelled. Thats just the bottom line...

Just because you have the ability to look something up on websters, does NOT make you qualified to pass such a judgement...

How funny is it that it turns out you wre right...She didnt even really WIN that coaches comp, yet the first SECOND she had the chance to rub it in WIllies face she did...Way to be a 30 something mother there Janelle...(and btw you dont have to use your fists to be just as much a bully and at fault for physical confrintations)

JEJO are not even a close comparrison to the crap Willie went thru in just one week. Not to mention they had each other. IMO the game this year reached a whole new low and to top it all off WIllie didnt even do half of the stuff that he was being accused of. Imagine if you thought you were doing the right thing by your team and your alli (frank) only to have them turn on you with lies and other betrayls and if as if that wasnt enough they isolated him and just kept picking and picking and picking at him. Do I condone violence?? Hell no however when your back is against the wall and you are stuck in a cage (which if you think about it really they are) just like any other animal on earth, you are going to react. Top that with JOE knowing HE was the real culprit in a good portion of WIllies down fall with his dirty flat out lying and his eagerness to " make him blow" (willie) not to mention that even tho its edited, if you watch closely willie never made physical contact with Joe first, it was JOE who put up hist fists then stepped into willies personal space. Where Im from 500k on the line or not, if I think someone is about to hit me your damn right Im gonna strike first. Does willie have the personality/temper to play the BB game. No, but its not fair to place the entier blame on him either. And its definatly not fair to even consider comparing what he went thru to what JEJO went thru because it wasnt even close to being the same situation. With all that said, Im still glad that WIllie got out of there (even tho I miss his drama) However passive agressive bully Joe should have been showed the door as well...IMO he was just as much to blame as Willie was. I can not respect his type of game play or his actions either. And honestly cant wait until he comes out and gets a taste of his own meds when he sees how disliked he is...

this is how much of a snake this dirt bag is...He took all of the patches out of the storage to mess with all the smoker....Believe it or not thats a health risk and I hope he gets caught!!!

this guys is a dirty dirty player can NOT stand him!!!

TOTALLY agree with you!!!