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Hey, there are good and bad people of all types. Gay, Str8, Bi, Tri whatever. I don't think Slimcruz was talking about all gay people when referring to Wil. Just because someone is gay doesn't give them a free pass to come off as obnoxious. I personally do not like Wil's game play methods. And I think that's what Slimcruz is talking about.

The quote was general not about Wil but refered that " they are unstable" but the poster said he deleted it...well maybe he can not but wants to because he saw how it was understood and did not want it to go that way.

Yes Wil is obnoxious but not unstable just mean and self serving beyond the normal desire to get to the end. Too bad he is saved. Hope Shane puts up Frank and Joe to make a break in those two teams having the alliance they have. Put the players on the alert for the fact that their so called coaches only want to win the 100K and really do not care about any one of them.

Of course Wil feels loved by Janelle as tho that one does anything not in her interest. In fact they are very similar in the way they play. Undermining in a sneaky way saying stuff as tho it was just already known so not a reveal but like a slip they did not know was a slip. And it is all lies

I think that it is pretty much a done deal, NYROSE. I wish that they could have exited the house altogether but reality speaks otherwise. In a subsequent post, I opinioned that it would be better to have them in the game than to continue on the sidelines. Although unfair, I think better to hope that they are each evicted. Just a thought.

As they are evicted won't that be unexpected (NOT) LOL

Wil can not be nominated so Shane should be smart and put up Joe and Frank. He can not trust Frank so he should aim at him and it weakens Booger and that is essential. And he must get the two teams fighting with each other so that a break can happen and he can get someone onto alliance Shane Danielle and who??? Ian if Ian is as smart as he is supposed to be.

He is everybody's yes man with a permanent drool on his chin LOL

This is true. You made it clearer to me now. Thank you. Just curious though. I don't really watch Survivor. Has there ever been a violent loose cannon on that show like Willie?

Willie's relative not Russell but the other one was unstable as hell whereas Russell did things to make everyone paranoid like pouring out the water.

Lol! Yeah get him out of our noses. I think Joe has been trying his hardest.

But Joe is even more annoying than Booger And in truth Joe can not get him out and I do not see him picking LOL on Booger anyway so explain yourself please

BB could give each coach $25K and remove them from the game. Or could give the coaches the option of getting out of the game and if their player wins that one gets the $100K At any rate we would be done with a sorry twist.

How about making HOH a two week stint with more challenges that put the HOH in jeapardy of losing HOH to another player AFTER the HOH has picked who goes on the block, that way more blood is spilled and more acrimony flourishes and more deals get made and destroyed. That takes care of the time for the game problem and makes the whole thing more of a steam room.

Another thing......the only problem with that particular allotrope is that they are generally unstable.

Are you saying Gay people are unstable? That is a bad generalization based on a pschological model that presumes them abnormal. A Gay person's sexual attraction does not effect them any differently than hetero attraction effects heteros. So just as some people do not handle their attractions sanely when they are hetero so some Gays do not, but the majority handle their attractions in a socially acceptable manner.

He was. I vote no. Why bring them into the house and let them affect the game initially and then allow them to compete. Totally unfair to us and to the HG's. Craziest bullshi$ she has come-up with yet. How come there wasn't a third vote......send them home? There wasn't a third vote because she knew we would.....send them home.

That is my solution for sure (send the coaches home). And I hope America sees through the deception and votes No so the producers can either lie to us or scramble for a better idea. There is nothing unexpected about the coaches coming in, there is nothing unexpected about how the HGs will react. Send them home and let the HGs bring a friend into the house. That way we would have fewer canned and chosen and picked and pruned people and a lot more difference among the players. That would be a real unexpected kick as the players would want to win and yet have a friend to protect also.

Boogie has aged and not well looks more like a cartoon character. And he is still using the same old same old figuring it worked before...so where is the unexpected in that eh BB? I never liked Booger wish they would get him out of our noses.

A good gay guy is always a breath of funny fresh air sort of like ozone, but this Wil has the moves and attitude and just uses them to be like every one else. The result is like a turd on a fancy dessert. YUK

Lol. Yeah. That way she could be proud of herself for doing something. Of course Shane would probably want her to put on a French maid's outfit with his horndog self.

I'm turning into a fan with the like button. The French maid thing is hilarious definitely bondage scenery.

Obviously that would rally the HGs to get the coaches out. Obvious is not the unexpected. Of course then after using up the time they need to have more players, then we would be back to BB with just plain HGs who would behave like schemers and make alliances without the pall of the coach and team skewing the reactions. I'd like to see BB come up with a better unexpected than putting the coaches in.

I 100% agree that Joe needs to leave the house. His only strategy to staying seems to be trying to satisfy hg's bellies, but he is so egotistical, immature, and annoying. He just seems to like to stir the pot, figuratively speaking. Then like Britney said, he gets mad at anyone who doesn't eat his food which I would find irritating if I had to be in that house. I don't freakin want a 7 course meal for breakfast, lunch, and dinner.

I do wish the forum had a like button rather than having to reply and let you know I agree. LOL

They do not add anything to the game and they do not allow us to see the players develop their relationships. The coach idea is a bust so get them gone.

He really needs to stop slavishly following the coach as that will stop him from making alliances. This season requires players to overcome the box they have been put in with coaches and teams. They must mutually discover that an alliance is their best shot.

Personally, I think that's about the smartest move I have seen by a houseguest. Ian signed up for the Big Brother show, not to run with the bulls in Pamplona!

(We actually don't know how long he stayed trying to break it up/aka reason with them, just what they showed us, but I would have been out of there too, especially if my only defense was a towel. In brawn, muscle and fat those guys make up about 4 Ian's.

I want to see Ian win the whole show but that would mean Mike Boogie would get the coaches prize.

Another person who does not like Booger and likes Ian. Maybe he will get traded and we can get both wishes. Which coach would you like to see win? I guess Dan is the least objectionable among them.

Look JoJo is more interesting than Ashley who is slightly more so than Danielle, but she does not understand how to make alliances. Ian is interesting and quirky. Ashley and Ian are up the ass of their coach, what is that about? The players need to figure out how to play the game and realize the teams are an artificial construct of coaches who are no better at the game than they are unless the players let them have that power.

This twist is dumb as long as the players go along with it. I liked that JOJO wanted to get an alliance that would break up the predictability of the present power structure. Too bad that ashley and ian are unable to see that.

I liked Wil at first but he has gone into floater mode feeling way too safe ... Frank is deceptive and somehow no one sees it? ..Joe is a trouble maker and no one sees that?

Actually WIllie didnt call joe the c word..He made a blanket statement saying bunch of C's in this house (not sure if that the EXACT wording however he didnt specifically call Joe that word)...Wille did go running after Joe, however he stopped a good 2 feet infront of Joe, Joe continued to keep his fist up and in a fighting stance. That is when Willie said hit me blah blah. Then if you watch it was not Willie who backed Joe up proceeding with a chest bump, it was JOE who made that chest bump. and that is when he got a head but to the head. With all that said I dont condone Willies behavior nor do I feel he shouldnt have been expelled from the game. However Joe is just as much at fault in the situation as Willie was. He sought out to have a confrontation with WIllie. (You can see his premeditation by his actions in the HOH just before their fight when he is jumping around like a 5yr old getting all excited about Willie being "about to blow" He made the choice just as much as WIllie did to go down stairs and get involved. Most adults with any amount of common sense and integrity would have given Willie time to cool off and just leave him alone. However Joe chose the dirty low road (yet again)...Ive watch the fight portion of the show several times and it is clear to me they were both to blame in equal parts and that when you get down to it, words are just words, until you touch someone in a threatening way. Which I clearly see Joe doing first. My opinion would be completely different had Willie not stopped 2 feet away from Joe allowing Joe time to pause and think about what he was doing. He CHOSE to continue the physical threatening. IMO Willie had every right to defend himself. The actions of all of these so called adults is appauling to me. It reminds me of the mob mentality in which Jr high school kids would use. Its one thing to ":play the game" and another to just forget basic human kindness and treat another human being in such a disgusting embarrasing way. It wasnt enough for Joe to completely defame Willie and ruin his game with his made up BC he had to continue to rub salt in the wounds and rub it in Willies face every chance he got along with the other HGs..In my world this just isnt how you treat people. Game or no game.

I agree with much you say here, but while Joe did get into a defensive stance, it was defensive almost cowering. He did not expect what Willie did. He did not expect Willie to yell so aggressively "Hit me" I was laughing at that point, because I could see that not only was Joe completely incapable of hitting from any reaction to the physical presence of Willie, he was awed and cowering, but he also was quite restrained I suspect from the rules and not wanting to be out of the game. He thought he could goad Willie and get away with it. Willie's onslaught verbal made him act as though it had been physical.

You are right that Willie stopped at a distance from Joe. His voice was his weapon and we know that is allowed (consider Evil Dick) I still say that the head butt was a result of Willie being so much shorter than Joe so that when the chest to stomach bump happened, Willie's head hit. I do not think Willie would admit to this and would prefer to be seen as having gotten that lick in than admit to being so short next to the height of Joe. Since Joe had his hands up he could have kept the bump from happening, but he was into it might even have been the one who caused it ( I am not sure) and so you are right when you say Joe was equally at fault. And in fact since he actually was stirring the pot and looking to rile Willie, he was the instigator of that interaction between them. That Willie came at him was a complete surprise. Joe is not used to shorter guys not being intimidated by his size. He totally did not expect that and thought he would get a free pass to goad Willie.

Frank and Boogie are gross together! Only Joe is more sickening to me now! I don't like wil either!

Agreed they are acting like chilltown and Frank comes off the worse for it. He is trying to please Boogie as part of his strategy.

I was pleased to see that Ian brought up his interest in having a slop date with Ashley. He was really clever in making it seem like the idea was not his both so that he would not seem as though he were making the move and avoiding both the possibility that he would seem hurt if she rejected the idea and making it more attractive to her in case she was not at all interested in him. He is not aware that she has a bit of interest in him and likes his nerd quality. He looked quite dapper and was properly appreciative of her looks. She would not be doing badly if she found him as a good partner. He is in awe at her beauty and would be good to her because he is a nice guy. He is attracted to BB because he wants to be able to be more social and appropriate. He knows he is weak in this area and is smart enough to want to change. We have already seen him grow in these two weeks becoming more capable of interacting and seeming normal to these less brainy more socialized creatures in the house.

Ian had a long talk with Janelle on how they believe Frank about Willie mocking Wil. They also believe Ashley's story (must have been off camera) and Ian came really close to telling Janelle about the night Willie used the "n" word. He instead said he heard Willie use other inappropriate words and that's why he thinks Frank and Ashley are telling the truth.

Actually Hantz' impression of Wil was spot on. He got his exact inflection without exaggeration. So to me it did not seem like mocking, but more like representing the attitude Wil was coming out with. that he did not like what he was saying was a given, but it did not feel like gay bashing to me.

I like the idea of Shane getting off the block and Frank putting up Danielle and sending both her and Dan home. Then Brittany will realize that Janelle is in it with Boogie. I'd like to see Janelle get back with Brittany and get Boogie out. He just annoys me.

What they showed of the blow up of Hantz let us know he was deliberately wanting out of the game. He knew that being aggressive with a big guy like Joe was a two edged sword in his favor. He looked like he was brave to be going after someone bigger and he could count on Joe to behave pretty much like he did. Joe put his hands up in a defensive stance, but did not act aggressively, but also did not back down. Hantz counted on Joe wanting to maintain his alpha male position enough not to back down. He got what he intended to get. Then Hantz got into his space and chest butted him, but being as short as he was his forehead hit Joe somewhere around the nose. I do not think Hantz intended to make that contact only the chest push. Joe complained loudly about the contact with his face. Well I suppose it was both shocking to have that contact, and being on TV I guess makes people worry about how they look too. There was a complaint that he threw the pork skins at Janelle, but that was really an aside of disgust at her for picking on him and his team for slop (though he was not really much of a team player, he was annoyed that what he did spilled over to his team, probably not only because he saw it as unfair, but also because he wanted all the credit for his acts to be his. He did say he was not a team player. Throwing the pork rinds was hardly violent; Hantz was not out of his mind, he was calculated enough not to want to let himself be seen as being violent to a woman. He would not be able to live that one down in the South. He saw he was going to be voted out and he wanted a bigger finish on his own terms, He got what he wanted on all levels.

when did she say she has a prescription for Medical marijuana? It is legal in California after all. Jo jo was saying she wanted to use her preferred relaxation method rather than the alcohol they give out. So I think this is the first time BB has allowed any mention of the "evil weed" If anyone can let me know about Ashley's medical use, I would be grateful.