Nakitadog

Totally agree. We have no pertinent facts (of which I am aware) and until then, I've no clue what happened and won't be jumping to any conclusions.

Slimcruz, thanks for the discussion and the education about the game over the last few days. I believe I learned this show isn't for me; it's just too toxic & contrived to me. Regardless, thanks for being open along to way.

OK I do not like Shelly as a player or as a person per how she has been portrayed on the TV AND what I have seen on the feeds BUT this is disgusting, revolting & I hope whomever has partook in these criminal activities is punished to the fullest extent of the law. Death Threats

I think you hit upon something in your comment "I do not like Shelly as a player or a person per how she has been portrayed on TV." For you, you are enjoying the show and finding an enjoyable way to root for or against someone as you enjoy the show. However, there are obviously too many people that take the portrayal personally and then bring this into real life.

Also, you say it got her big move got her to the final 5. Hmmm, with J/J/A/R she already have F5 with J/J/A she had F4 and she had F3 with J/J and if anything happened to Jeff after they were down to 5. Jordan had a F2 with her. I'm not great at math but, I'm pretty sure F5 isn't better than any of those scenarios. Well, I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on the Shelly's move helping her along.

I think it's more a debate about what Shelly perceived to be the best move for her. I think she perceived there was no way that Jeff would ever have been defeated so therefore she never would have been in a F2 with Jordan (which based upon how the stronger players were playing was actually a fairly strong possibility) and she actually believed she could beat the folks on the other side (although she would actually be trading being led by Daniele).

Sitting back, I really don't think she stood a snowballs chance in any scenario and should have stuck to the role as house mommy for her sanity.

I believe that they are exactly who they are in real life. I don't believe for a minute you can put on an act 24/7 for 2 and a half months. Eventually who they are comes out. The very first modern reality show, the Real World, castmember Heather B, said it best (paraphrasing because it's been almost 20 years) in the reunion show, 'the producers work with what you give them, if you look like a b*tch it's cause that's how you acted on the show.'

I can see what you're saying but I also think that a show is a bit like the Stanford Prison Experiment where you can act away on the show but under normal community/family/social structures you won't behave in the same manner.

if they are television characters......is Big Brother a scripted show? and all are actors?

I use the term "characters" because I don't for a second believe what you see on TV is what you would see in real life. (1) the participants craft a persona for the show, (2) it's hard for people not to change the behavior when they know they are on TV, (3) the nature of the game itself alters the percetions of the people participating and (4) I 100% believe that BB manipulates these people.

I think a perfect example of this is the Rachel/Regan relationship. They spewed some pretty hateful stuff at one another but once they enter real life, they become close friends.

I have to think that much of Shelly's support comes from dislike for Jeff and Jordan - not so much approval for a woman acting like a wacked-out road runner but just total dislike for anything Jeff and Jordan. Dislike exacerbated by so much unending support for Jeff and Jordan. I get it.

This probably the most perceptive things I've seen posted on here. I think a lot of the pro/con comments are generated based on some rather intense feelings people are developing for what are essentially television characters.

Yes, I believe it is fake in the DR to sway public opinion and try to convince us she is a decent person with "integrity". The crying in front of the

HG's may be a bit more real but IMO it comes from anger and frustration that she is losing control rather than any level of sorrow.

Interesting take. I always looked at her as being a nutbar. I'll be curious to see what see says during the interview when she's tossed out + finale.

Shelly is such an irritating control freak and a legend in her own mind. She can roll all over the HG's but she wants to control viewers and bloggers too with

her fake crying and 'integrity' jags. What many of us think of her will have no impact on her life out of the house but it's possible a few who work with her are seeing her in a new light. The empress may be wearing no clothes but she does have on combat boots and an ammo belt! If two more go up it's probably Adam and Shelly going up. As Seacrest likes to say, "Shelly out." (I hope, I hope, I hope)

Do you really think her crying is fake? I kind of assumed that if she was that good at faking crying she would have made better decisions all along.

I'm with you, Slim......I was about to cancel my feeds today because it was so BORING to me.......I realized I'm not as much a BB fan as I am a "personality" fan.......I enjoy watching the ppl that entertain me, make me lol or at least bring a smile to my face (or in Jeff's case a tingle ).

I know others enjoy "good game play" but I guess I don't know what that IS. No one has ever gone in there with the "perfect plan" and turned that into a WIN that I've seen. But, if there are ppl on who entertain me, I'll watch..... if there's not, I won't........that's a personal choice.

Shelly just makes me cringe.......not at all entertaining.

That's an interesting take for me. I guess I prefer more of a "game" rather than personalities (although you can't completely disregard it) and I wonder how much CBS/BB affect (script) what we see.

As for Shelly, if you like the personality v. personality would her absence affect your enjoyment (it's hard to have a saint without a devil)?

You know, Nakitadog, I don't like Shelly and didn't like her in the beginning. I found something about her off-putting. As time goes on, I find it almost embarrassing to watch her. As I said earlier, in a rather tacky way, I think that it might be time for them to just send her home.

I am no expert on the matter but I tend to agree with you in thinking that she might have some issues. I keep thinking that it will be fine. I certainly hope so.

Well, she created a character that was hard to like. I don't know if there has ever been anyone quite like her before (I don't have as much experience with the show as most people here). I couldn't understand how she was so far up Jordan's butt like a stalker and how intense she would discuss her "alliance." Also her reaction to Rachel was so extreme and it was all based on her inability to remember that she had asked Rachel/Brendon to be in a Final 3. Most of the players who float/stink at competitions aren't so forceful. She kind of ruins the show.

You keep using the word "hate." I never use that word. I think it would be scary to hate someone on a reality tv show and I think that most of the people here - you seem new - who've been posting here a long time, don't hate any of them, either.

As for "reactions to people in real life," I am sure that Shelly will be able to handle such a thing should it happen. She seems tough as nails to me.

There's been some hateful things on here and there was a post earlier about people doing/threatening to do things to her in real life. I wonder how "tough as nails" she really is in real life. It may be a front her mental skin may not quite be as thick as it her physical skin is.

Well, the saving grace of all this is that many people are not even aware of Big Brother and some who are; likely couldn't care less. I just think it is risky business in 2011 to act like a fool and alienate viewers on a reality tv show. I sometimes wonder if they just forget that the real world is watching. There are people out there who are just as hateful, loud and aggressive as Shelly has been on BB13. I don't worry about Shelly or any of these people. Other mean people have fared okay although I seem to remember that Maggie had some problems. Don't quote me on that, though. I might be wrong. Shelly will be forgotten. They generally are. As they should be.

I hope so. I think she's going to have a lot of issues she's going to have to deal with on her own.

That's so true--and I've been sick of the lectures against our honest opinions for quite some time now!

There's a difference between honest opinions on a forum and reactions to people in real life which is the context of the the entire discussion. If you want to hate the Shelly character go for it; she's given everyone plenty of ammunition.

Shelly was well aware of what forums are about before she went on BB. She acts like a fool. People respond in kind. This didn't begin with Shelly. Frankly, Shelly opened-up to personal life on tv which in my opinion was just as stupid of her as the way she has acted.

Shelly is responsible for community perception relative to her ride on BB13. Community perceptions of posters "hiding behind an internet name," has absolutely nothing to do with anything nor does how "a lot of the same people may fare." You go on a reality tv show; expect reaction. Sometimes good. Sometimes not so good. Act accordingly is my motto.

I have no problem with people hating or rooting for a character. I also don't think there's anything wrong with posting hyperbole or making fun of them on a forum/message board since they made themselves a public figure.

However, to go after someone in real life once the character has left the show and has to deal with being a real person is pretty scary and downright unfair.

I have a friend that argues the same thing with me, lol. I don't think he's a huge threat but he's more of a threat than Shelly. I guess my thought would be if Adam is gone then it's Rachel/Jordan against Kalia in the HOH since I would discount Shelly completely. But, then, I guess she could luck into a win.

All in all, I'm definitely not going to be sad to see Shelly leave. I might be annoyed by all her crap-talking this week but it will be a much more peaceful house after Thursday.

I guess I'm a little biased as well. By getting rid of Shelly, the show returns to being more of a game rather than some perverted, contrived soap opera (Real Housewives of Big Brother?). Plus, even if Adam got to the Final 3, it's pretty clear that he would have been dragged along and won't get many votes to win.

I've been saying the same thing. Unfortunately, I don't see them voting out Adam.

Harmony has to play some role in their decision. I mean is Adam that much more of a threat than Shelly that keeping her and the drama that accompanies her presence make it worth keeping her?

The people at the grocery store and the liquor store and the drugstore and prospective employers are going to let her know. Trust me.

That's pretty sad. Considering some of the stuff people write on these boards, I wonder how community perceptions of them would be if their posts were widely known and they weren't hiding behind an Intenet name. Plus, I'm sure a lot of the same people may fare just as poorly on the show.

I just hope she gets left alone and gets some psychological help after she gets out.

ok......so now Big Brother makes a twist to save face. Imho...this is what they have done.

1) They allowed Dani to talk about production, use an alleged friendship with 2 people in production and how they would leave if dani was voted off.

2) Then they allow Dani to say out loud for production to call housemates into DR for her.

3) Jeff tells us that DR makes suggestions to him that are pro Dani.

4) We hear production interacting with houseguests like we never heard before.

5) They allow an 8 yr old child to be exposed on tv and potentialy put her in harms way.

6) They are selective on whom they reprimand for whispers, lack of mic., production talk....etc.

Now.....will Big Brother powers that be do the right thing and allow a simple eviction to happen to Shelly, do the regular protocol, and then pull her aside and talk to her about what happend and then further it with their suggestion that she go home to her family and forget about the jury house?

Just a few thoughts to start with......... CBS does watch this forum....it is the best one on the net for a plethora of opinion and diversity not to mention the level of care and integrity it takes to maintain this type of message board.

The really interesting thing is the fact they really need to start being careful about intervening in the game. After all, there is prize money and they have the audience text into the show which all involve money and all 50 states. Ultimately, does intervention become something of a fraud (like the Quiz Show scandal) or is it like professional wrestling?

And even if (and that's a BIG if) Grodner did design the POV for this week, Rachel still held on longer than everyone else and earned the right to stay in the house!

Regardless of how BB may try to contrive some of the situations, Porche still had to open Pendora's box and Rachel still had to win. She will also still have to continue to win to have a shot at the final 2. Ultimately, if Adam and Shelly are eliminated, the final 4 till at least have some credibility in terms of being able to win something and having to cultivate relationships.

Just how many conspiracies are the producers running? They are conspiring to keep the vets, the newbys, J/J, Brenchel, Dani, and now, Shelly.

Anything to keep the ratings running. They gotta keep the power and contoversy rotating back and forth.

isnt she going like thurs?? wont adam and shelly go up now?? cant wait

I wonder if there is going to be some new weird power that BB makes up now to keep Shelly in the house.

I do not doubt that J&J would have dropped her. I just feel like you can still play the game and the scheming that is entailed without being a ( fill in blank ) to a person that you claim to care so deeply about. And my thoughts about the two side of Shelley are as follows:

1) Being in a pressure cooker does not cause a person to act a way that is not already an inherent personality trait.

2) Even if she is a different person at home ( sure she is) her actions directly conflict with the way she expects Josie to be. She is the one that is always bending an ear about the ways she raises her child. Nothing against how she chose to raise her, mind you. If being and raising a honest and good person is important to a parent, would it no be beneficial to not place yourself in a situation that broadcasts you not being what you teach? Not a big advocate of the " do as I say, not as I do" theory.

And how long will Porsche whine about a) Jeff winning more money and how much she regrets did ?

Was there any doubt this chick was a money grubber? I hope it backfires on her so bad that she is the outcast. lol

I can see your point in terms of looking at Shelly's actions separate from what Jeff & Jordan may or may not have done to her (she didn't know what they were doing?) and to her general manic behavior. I really wonder what the producers may have told her in the diary room to try and spice things up for their beloved Daniele.

Well I have had my work cut out reading all these post about how Shelly has played the game. And I don't want to get in a war with some posters about whether Shelly is callous or not. All I do want to say is, did her way of turning on J/J the way she did get her any closer in getting in the final two? By what I have been observing, she has just given the win and runner up to just another pair. Now I will say that I am glad that one of the other Hg's was taken out. And I did not understand why Shelly wanted her to stay because that still would not get Shelly any closer to the final two. Unless it was just a personal issue that a vet would win. Some of you are right about how J/J played the game especially Jeff being somewhat my way or the highway (but he was very sexy while doing it)..but I see other HG acting the same way, no matter. I really believe that because of how Shelly has been portraying herself lately,some of her relatives are embarrassed! She is still going to the jury...

I'm trying to look at things from here perspective. #1 She thinks she can't beat Jeff and without being able to beat him she cannot be in the Final 2. Next, she sees how they are tight with Adam and Rachel and that has to cause a question as to where she falls in the pecking order. #2 with the others she may feel that she had a better (some) shot at getting to final 2.

Is her perspective off? Probably, because she probably wouldn't have been able to crack through Daniele/Kalia. With Daniele and Jeff gone, she definitely has a better chance but in the end she'll get stabbed in the back anyway (unless she finally wins the POV) but just can't see it.

all is fair in love and war well the sayin is then "all is fair in love and BB" end of story, it gets tiring going over it and over it. you can love who you want and I can love who I want, but I guarentee you it will not be shelly,

I think you two are debating different things. I think you seem to be not a Shelly fan more than merely being a Jordan apologist.

my reaction to shelly has nothing to do with what did happen or didnt happen or what might have happened in this game, it is her, just her, and her ugly self, she is an ugly person, to me

I've been on this puter all day and night and I am dun, later ppl

My statement wasn't directed to you.

that's not even up for debate. If Jejo had the votes to can shelly last week they wouldve done so, but they didn't have the votes. Just like Jeff telling Dani she was safe, but in reality he was lying right to her and she was lying right back to his face. If Jeff wouldve kept Dani this week Dani wouldve turned on Jeff and voted him out ASAP and people would be hating Dani for it, but Jeff was "smart" to do it.

I kind of look at it like they were both stupid for not actually getting together. If Jeff/Jordan/Rachel/Dani could have come back together and trusted one another, it would have been very difficult for them to be beat. Kalia would have been gone and based on the HoH competition for double-eviction, Jordan was ahead of the other floaters in at the end (without Kalia being there) and they would have been able to eliminate another one of the floaters.