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Frank should be happy since he was one of the first to want the coaches out after reset.

Adults who go on reality shows have choices. Little kids with disabilities don't.

If Porsche is overweight by the standards of those here who insist that she is then they must be very proud of all the pre-teen girls who are anorexic but then... children who are overweight and little kids with disabilities are not likely reading these threads or at least shouldn't be.

Oh for the love of Pete, when will people realize that "haters" isn't literal as to the emotion of hate (although with some, maybe it is LOL). It's an expression.

Adam is a tool, by the way, but I'd still rather he have the money at the end over PorcHO. Hopefully Rachel will beat them both and walk away the winner.

Pinkie: "the haters will always find something to hate on"

So basically, anyone who posts their opinion of the HGs or their actions (as you did above) is a hater. Why not call us posters and say "the posters will always find something to post on"?

At least we're both wanting Rachel to win!

I know Sugar, the haters will always find something to hate on

Good grief! I'm not a hater but I do think she handled what could have been an opportunity badly. I don't hate Jordan or any HG... couldn't get that personally attached to people I don't know to develop feelings of love or hate.

I reserve those emotions for people I know.

So you would just lay down and not even put up a fight when it happens??? Not even a last ditch effort? You have no idea how you would actually feel or act in the house, none of us do, I know I would fight til I was sent packing, and yes you better believe that I would think that I deserved to win and if I could convince someone to keep me whether they should or not, you better believe I'm going to freaking try. It's called playing the damn game....never lie down and give up til your sent out the door

Oh and you never said a thing about being surprised, you said that her convo with Adam proved her sense of entitlement, I just disagreed that's all

Hell no! He'd have to physically drag me out of that room. I wouldn't leave until I promised him the moon and gave him every possible reason (real or not) why he should keep me.

In any case, I would use a better argument than 'you owe me' and 'I carried you' then storm off mad. Would that convince you to take me to the end? It would have helped if she made Adam believe that he could only win if he was with her in F2.

And yes Jordan looked surprised over something she should have seen coming. Every person in there believes they deserves to win but only some think they are entitled to win.

If none of us have any idea how we would act in the house then why proceed to tell me how you would act in the house?

How is it entitlement to expect that your alliance stick by you, I just don't understand how you all expect people to act, I guess you would all lie down and tell your alliance " ok no problem, I'll just bend over while you screw me over"

Actually I'd be pi**ed that they beat me to the punch but I certainly wouldn't be surprised. An alliance only helps you both along the way but only a loser stays in an alliance that no longer serves it's purpose.

I wouldn't expect anyone to stay true to me even if it meant they'd likely lose.

(paraphrasing) She said to him you are going with them aren't you? He just kept smiling. I think he said I don't know yet. She said in a very nice sweet voice.. I can tell when you are not telling the truth. He kept smiling. Then I think she said Oooooooooh Adam.

Uhhh yeah that's exactly the way it happened... so that's our story and we're sticking to it!!!

And I say this in the nicest sweetest voice too.

Wait!!! You forgot the part where Adam was smiling like some kind of pedophile then screamed at her "I don't f'n know yet".

Jordan handled her eviction very well but I soooooo didn't like the way she was talking to Adam in the HOH room. It sort of confirmed her sense of entitlement and expectations that others should allow her to win.

Adam was gracious about the whole thing, though he may of been doing so just to avoid pissing her off further and losing a possible jury vote. It appeared to me that he couldn't lie to her face so he went with the old 'not sure what I'm doing yet'.

yeah Adam the selfish floater has always done for him, that is fine, its a game, but my God, the way he sucked up is ridiculous and it will not get him a win in the end, because while everyone out here thinks floating is just fine, the jury has a different opinion, you wait, he will get blasted if he gets to f2, the jury will eat him alive, cnat wait

I'm not even one of Adam's fans but I doubt anyone who plays for themselves is 'selfish'. He's only met these people two months ago but he has to go back and live HIS life with HIS family so not considering that would be selfish.

I agree he'll get blasted by jury not because he was a floater but because he's an easy target. He stumbles and stutters a lot when put on the spot so I hope for his sake he psychs himself up before facing them. He has to stick to the truth and tell it well because lies are written all over his face.

Gonna miss you Jordan. You left with real class after Adam turned his back on you. You are the sweetest and kindest player ever. You have my vote for AC. You deserve it lots more than Jeff, besides he has already won money, Please vote Jordan for AC.

I'm not sure what you mean by Adam turning his back on her? Adam did what he thought was best for him like he is supposed to. He's not there to help someone else win.

Adam complaining about the size of the platform.

His feet were too big. Is that why he went down so fast?

That comp was totally unfair!!! It was specifically made for people who worked out all summer, don't smoke, eat healthy, have small feet and have used an egg beater.

Aaaaaaaaaand she's out! Yes!!! Yes!!!! Yes!!!

She sure bounces back from disappointment well though; went out with a lot of class and sportsmanship.

Stay well Jordan.

Everyone says that Shelly's game blew up in her face but her game didn't blow up as much as BB blew her up. Remember, Shelly was in good shape until Grodner threw in the duo PB to save Jordo. J or R was on the way out of the house. If there was no PB, the newbies would have controlled the house 4 to 1 and everything would have been different and maybe Shelly would have been the player with the chance to be dragged to the F3 or F2.

Frankly, as much as I despise Jordo's game or lack there of...I would send R to the JH. P needs to let everyone think it's Jordo and then vote out R. J will be so unprepared she would probably blow the HOH comps. I would not take R to the F3. She is to competitive.

Yes the game blew up for Shelly because of the twists that (dare I say it...) always seemed in favour of the vets and somehow screwed the newbies. I hope they never do this vets vs newbies thing again, it was unfair to both sides. I understand the producers manipulating the show to keep ratings but this season in particular was way too blatant and overdone.

I'm starting to believe speculation of a deal to help vets win; afterall, production staff probably feared for their lives from over zealous JJ fans.

Jordan dindn't play a good social game. That implies that her strategy was to do nothing but make everyone like her. She is likeable by nature but she's not good at game and worse at competitions.

Unless Jordan was only pretending to be sweet and adorable I doubt that making people like her was intentional. Shelley on the other hand, had most of the house thinking she was someone completely other than she was until it all blew up in her face. If she had been able to carry that off to the end (and she did go pretty far with it), that would have been a good social game and......

...don't get me wrong here! I haven't rooted for Shelley from the start and the 'pretending to be mom' strategy never works except for people who still need a mom to say things like "you can't eat all the marshmallows from the Lucky Charms, you have to share them with the others".

To me ---------> just being yourself does NOT equal 'good social game'.

Some of the jury just may wake up and see that Shelly has played the best game of all so far. I can't stand her, but gotta give credit where its due. She has lied, stealed, cheated, back stabbed.....whatever it took to further her in the game. And quite frankly, thats what BB is about.

I just can't figure out if Shelly's game play was intentional or not!!! Either she was lying to us in her earlier DR sessions or they were just edited to make it look like she was playing to further JJ. That all made her look like a total nutjob. It seems now, her DR sessions are all about being there for her family which is the sole reason anyone should play BB.

Her discussion with Jordan about why she voted out Jeff made complete sense even if she was just telling it to Jordan to try and get back on her good side. You do what you have to do to get to the end (for yourself and your family).

It could be that her DR sessions in the beginning were edited that way as a means to get her in good with the JJ fans but then it backfired because everyone included JJ were so shocked when she voted against Jeff that some of the JJ fanatics went nuts and threatened her family. If it had revealed any inkling that she was trying to win for her family maybe things wouldn't have turned out so badly. Now her DR sessions are showing what I think may have been true all along... that Tony and Josie came first. If I am right on this, then yes she played a great game.

As far as Jury, they wouldn't have seen her DR sessions so it could come off that she outsmarted them all and they will either decide it's outstanding game play or they'll still be licking their wounds and vote against her! Personally, I hope she doesn't win or even make it to F2.

Or some pants that actually fit.

For sure cause if those pants and baggy underwear fall off we may all be in for a real 'shocker' at what she actually has under there!

It would explain a lot but we'd still need to flush out our eyes with drano.

Swearing on her child--she is getting worse and worse!

I always told my children that if I was on a reality show I would be there for them 100% so I would lie cheat and if I had to, I'd swear on their lives; not like I would mean it. I never understood the 'swear on this or that'. I'm pretty sure all the people in courts that are swearing on the bible are not telling the truth. It doesn't mean anything.

I'd may be saying "I swear on my kids lives" but I'd be thinking "I swear on my kids lives (that I will do what I have to do to win this game).

Shelly is the hardest HGs I've ever had the displeasure of watching. Aside from that, I thought she was a complete psycho when she appeared to be playing the game so JJ could win??? I'm actually impressed to see her vote Jeff out. No matter what JJ say, it was always their intention to win (as it should be but not to expect others to help them win) so for Shelly, it was the right thing to do. She sucked them in till the end and bailed at the right moment, it's the only way she ever had a chance to making it this far. I really would not like to see her win however, so I hope she is out this week.

As I posted once before.......a match made in hell

The scary part is they really are a match... hugely dysfunctional and co-dependant but still a match in the sense that he wants to control and she needs to be controlled. Rachel's behaviour and reactions are childlike to say the least. My jaw is stilling hanging from the 'hiding and crying in the bushes' incident! I find her amusing to watch and there are times when she really seems to have genuine compassion but most of the time she is focussed on her emotional neediness. Dear God there has to be a good therapist somewhere out there who is watching BB; please do us all a favour and contact Rachel! lol

Brendon on the other hand needs to be brought down a level or several. He's a reasonably good-looking guy but I'm sure it's been hard to find a woman like Rachel who would take being told to STFU and you have a big F'n mouth and this is how I want you to sit. In my 22 year relationship, statements like that didn't even come up during the divorce and we had a good share of fights over the years. There are just some things you don't say to your spouse.

I just don't get this guy??? Does he really not remember offering to be put up as the pawn?