morty Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 Please post ONLY Live Feed, televised show, and Big Brother After Dark observations here ! If you are adding personal comments, please keep them to a minimum and use brackets [personal comment]around the text. Remember your time zones. Big Brother USA Time is Pacific Coast Daylight Saving Time (See Map Here). Please be careful in identifying who is speaking, and do not use confusing abbreviations. We may have several HGs with names which start with the same letter. To better help you identify the HGs, we made this guide you can print out and refer to until you get to know who's who. http://www.mortystv.com/images/bb16/Big_Brother_16_Houseguest_Guide.pdf Try to be consistent with abbreviations, like: Washroom Area (WA) Water Closet (WC) Kitchen (KT) Dining Table (DT) Living Room (LR) Back Yard (BY) Bedroom (BR) Indoor Lock Down (ILD) Outdoor Lock Down (OLD) Head of House Room (HOHR) Please post pictures in the open thread: http://www.tvfanforums.net/index.php?/topic/94450-bb16-live-feed-screen-captures/ If you post questions or start conversations with each other here, they will be deleted. Thank you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoDkiller87 Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 12:05 AM BBT Caleb is re-telling how his date went with Amber to Frankie. He asks her to ask her what she thought and tell him. Frank asks how much game they talked and if anything about Brit. He said they didn't talk much game but they did want to find a way to keep Brit as they are not her targets. He says if things don't flip he will vote with the house. They talk about Zach a bit. Frank calls him crazy and Caleb says he will be first one gone when they hit jury.12:15 AM BBT Caleb tells Frank that he told Amber that he can't wait to meet her mom and tell her what a great job she did with Amber. He says he told Amber that he ate a pickle and it is a huge deal. He recaps Amber asking if he's ever going to give up. Caleb told her no cause when he knows what he wants he gets it. Frank changes the subject to the pool game and that lasts all of five seconds and Caleb is back on Amber. He asks Frank another time to talk to Amber about how the date went. The game is over and Frank puts on his ref outfit and plans to run around the house to let everyone know he is Frankie again.12:25 AM BBT On the hammock, Zach is telling Nicole, Vic, and Christine that he hates Brit and Amber. He plans to play a prank on Amber. Christine makes sure Zach knows that Brit told her Zach and Vic are her targets. Zach says Brit told him Vic was her target, but it doesn't matter because the check is cashed and money is spent, she is going home. Upstairs Amber tickles Hayden and he pretends he isn't ticklish. Brit tickles him more and he starts laughing uncontrollably. Amber holds down his legs and when they let go finally he acts terrified and traumatized.12:35 AM BBT The Brit bashing continues with Vic and Christine on the hammock. Vic thinks it is funny that Brit says Vic is her target. Other then that the HOH crew are just chit chatting about nothing and laughing over small things.12:45 AM BBT The HOH crew beaks up and it is just Hayden and Cody. Cody says he wishes he wasn't in this darn house because Brit is so hot and he thinks she would be a good kisser. Vic comes up to the room and the guys pretend to be asleep so she says good night and leaves. Cody starts re-hashing conversations with Brit and Amber. Brit comes back up to say night to the guys. She leaves and Amber comes in. In the hammock Christine and Zach are talking about Caleb and Zach mouths silently that everyone hates him. Christine agrees and Zach says he wants to play this game crazy because he is here to play. Zach feels as though he has not made any bad moves other then telling Devin to put him up.12:58 AM BBT Cody and Amber are talking about Zach upstairs. Cody is going over how agitated he is about the whole situation still. Amber says that she heard he is bored and just wants to stir the pot. Cody says that's obvious. Hayden is just sitting and taking it all in. Cody says "on a side note how was your date?" Amber says that it wasn't a date. She says he was sweet and that as a friend he is great. She just isn't at a place in her life where he is what she wants. Cody says what if she was in that place, would she like Caleb? Amber says no. She just doesn't feel the way about him that he does about her. Brit comes in and they move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loripav Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 http://www.tmz.com/2014/07/23/ariana-grande-grandfather-died-frankie-grande-big-brother-death/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kekila Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 #BB16 9:11AM BBT All HG still sleeping.#BB16 9:36AM BBT Still sleeping. No movement.#BB16 9:42AM BBT Donny is up and washing in in the WCA.#BB16 9:52AM BT We have FOTH#BB16 10:02AM BBT We are back and the HG are in the WCA doing ADLs.#BB16 10:18AM BBT BB asking HG to change batteries. We are getting FOTH on and off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitten200 Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 11:01am Frankie,Amber, and Brittany sitting in the sun by the pool talking about rehearsing shows and Donny and Christine in the hammock just general talk 11:13am Donny and Christine are off the hammock and Donny says well i laid in the hammock and now my back and knees hurt. Frankie ask where Christine is going and she says over here out of the sun and he says not so far away from me and she laughs. 11:18am Nicole and Christine in the KT while Nicole is cooking.Christine says if i will HOH next week Amber and Caleb are going up together. 11:28am Nicole says she wants to win HOH and she will not put up Cody,Zach.Hayden or Frankie.Christine says i think it is going to be an endurance comp this week cause we haven't had one yet. 11:33am Brittany is campaigning to Frankie to stay in the house this week and she says she will not say anything bad about Donny cause she loves him. Frankie ask who will you put up and she says if i win hoh i will put up Victoria and she will leave and Frankie says what if she wins pov? Brittany says she wont win it again so whoever wins HOH this week has the easiest week there is. 11:44am Caleb is now laying in the sun with Brittany . Nicole,Donny, Christine, Amber and Jacosta are on the BY couches just general talk about the kicks Cody had to do and the soccer goals that Brittany had to do. 11:51am Just general talk in the By with most of the Hg and BB calls an indoor lockdown. 11:55am BB closes the back yard and Caleb says next time they open that they will put the hoh key around my neck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitten200 Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 12:00pm Frankie is in the shower. Christine messing with a bug bite on her head, Donny in the LVR sitting alone. 12:15pm Everyone is just laying around the house not really talking much as most went to take a nap and Caleb is cooking a pizza. 12:28pm Victoria and Caleb in KT and Donny , Jacosta and Amber in LVR just general talk about ice cream. 12:50am Donny,Amber,Brittany and Jacosta in the KT eating pizza. Victoria in WA plucking facial hairs again . All other Hg are in bed sleeping. 12:58pm amber is talking about making funnel cakes later with butter cream frosting or cream cheese frosting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kekila Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 #BB16 10:32AM BBT Frankie walking around offering the slop oatmeal to Victoria and Nicole. Victoria says yes.#BB10:49AM BBT Frankie and Christine have a discussion about how hot it is at the house right now. Frankie says it feels like 90 degrees with humidity making it feel like 100 degrees (It's actually approximately 81 degrees at the house right now). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kekila Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 #BB16 4:02PM BBT HG lying around in the LR discussing the sound proofing in the house. In the HOH room, other HG discussing whiskey.#BB16 4:15PM BBT Donny and Hayden are on the LR floor looking under the coffee table at the price. Christine is guessing the price. It is $995.00. Hayden says it's nicely made. Christine can't believe how much the table is.#BB16 4:28PM BBT Nicole and Christine are now picking their top 5 hottest BB men from past seasons. They both like Brendon, Jeff, Ian, and Dominick.#BB16 4:53PM BBT We currently have FOTH. No reason known - it has been a few minutes. The HG were just lying around chatting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kekila Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 #BB16 4:59PM BBT We return and Frankie is crying and being comforted. The HG are supporting him. They have told him about his Grandfather passing.#BB16 5:01PM BBT Frankie is holding a note and re-reading it. He tells the HG he loves them and they comfort him. He says the funeral is on Saturday. He says he will have his own little service.#BB16 5:02PM BBT The note seems to be from his family. It says that specifically Grandpa wanted him to stay. They will be waiting until Frankie returns to have a Celebration of Life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kekila Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 #BB16 5:06 PM BBT Frankie says he passed from cancer. Says he never dreamed he would pass while he was on the show. He knew there was a chance but he just didn't think he would.#BB16 5:7PM BBT Frankie says he got to send a message to his family so he feels better,#BB16 5:12 PM BBT Frankie is telling them "Grandpa" stories.#BB16 5:16PM BBT Frankie starts to tell the HG how BB told him in the DR and we get FOTH.#BB16 8:17 PM BBT One of the stories Frankie told was coming down all dress in his Christmas outfit one year. His Grandpa looked at him and said "Don't you own any men's clothing"? Everyone laughed. Frankie says that his Grandpa was one of the first he came out to. Said that his Grandpa said that Frankie was his grandson and he loved him no matter what. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kekila Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 #BB16 5:20 PM BBT Frankie gets a group hug from everyone. You can hear him crying into his mic. The group has not let go. He says he misses him a lot. He was a really good man. Some of the HG are wiping away tears. They tell him they love him and he loves them back. He is giving each of them a hug.#BB16 5:24PM BBT Caleb still asleep in one of the beds. Not sure why he was not in the LR with everyone else. Feeds had come back to the group in the LR.#BB16 5:27PM BBT Zach goes to the WCA - wiping tears and blowing his nose. Frankie crawls into bed and pulls the covers over his head. Other HG sitting quietly in the LR couches. Not saying a word.#BB16 5:30PM BBT Correction- Frankie was in the bathroom. He did not crawl in bed.#BB16 5:36PM BBT Christine and Nicole sitting on couch. Christine says she hopes Frankie wins HOH tomorrow. Nicole agrees.#BB16 5:46PM BBT Caleb has woken up. Cody quickly tells him about Frankie's Grandfather. In the LR Frankie talks about he is glad his family told him to stay or else he would have left. Frankie says something about getting to call and we get FOTH.#BB16 5:51PM BBT Derrick and Zach in the bee hive. Derrick is explaining that BB can't let Frankie leave and come back. Zach says it is unfortunate and we get FOTH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kekila Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 #BB16 5:52PM BBT Frankie gets called to DR and we get FOTH again.#BB16 5:57PM Zach and Derrick talk about how boring everything is. All the things they can not do in the house. Derrick says they are hamsters in a cage. Spinning on the wheel. Mentally draining.#BB16 6:06PM BBT Zach and Derrick talking in the bee hive. Zach tells Derrick that he knows Derrick will be in the one of the F2 chairs. Derricks says the 500K will set up his daughter for college. Zach doesn't know what he would do with the money.#BB16 6:10PM BBT Frankie joins Derrick and Zach in the bee hive. Frankie explains that he wanted to blog or something to explain why he is staying. Derrick says knows - his Grandmother passed away during Hollywood week#BB16 6:12PM BBT Derrick tells Frankie if it is the 2 of them on the wall - he will throw it to Frankie.#BB16 6:19PM BBT Derrick and Zach tell Frankie that no one will win against Frankie tomorrow. He is playing for his grandfather. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kekila Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 #BB16 6:26PM BBT A nail painting session is going on in the LR.#BB16 6:34PM BBT HG prepping dinner.#BB16 6:38PM BBT Zach tells Derrick if he wins HOH he will put up Donny and Amber.#BB16 6:50PM BBT IN the HOH room, Victoria is comforting Frankie. He is crying.#BB16 6:51PM Caleb comes to HOH to talk to Frankie. He hugs him. Frankie reads him the letter. In the letter his family tells him they felt it was right to tell him about the passing. They wanted him to know that Grandpa insisted that Frankie stay in the game.#BB16 6:54PM BBT Caleb tells Frankie that he has been through this. He says comforting words to Frankie. He tells Frankie it's ok to mourn. His uncle passed away 4 months ago. He wants Frankie to know that it's ok.#BB16 6:57 PM BBT Caleb tells Frankie to be strong. Frankie says that he was told he would get a picture if he won HOH tomorrow. Frankie tells Caleb that he is his closest friend in the house. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndigoAquarius Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 7:05PMBBT Caleb and Frankie talk in the HoH. Caleb doesn't want to think about Amber leaving "But she will be around the corner at the Marriot waiting for me." (you really think so Caleb?)Frankie heads into the WC and says he has to get ready for the eulogy later "for the live feeders". The feeds all go to the LR and KT where there is small talk and joking happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndigoAquarius Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 7:15PMBBT General chit chat still in the KT and LR. Caleb is sitting at the counter, watching Amber at the sink. Christine runs her fingers through her hair over and over on the couch. Frankie whistles the opening to "Summer" by Calvin Harris and we get WBRB. Feeds come back and much of the same but, Caleb has moved to the LR, laying on the couch, watching the ceiling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndigoAquarius Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 7:24PMBBT Frankie and Cody are in the HoH cleaning up the bathroom and now feeding the fish. In the LR, Donny sits down and Britney asks him what his favorite room in the house is and where they will eat their last dessert together. They head to the SR, get dessert, walk to the KT and get some little spoons because they are Donny's favorite to use and now are in the hive. "Oh lord, sucks to be me and you." She says to Donny as they snack on their parfaits. Donny's mic is not working so the convo seems one sided. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndigoAquarius Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 7:26PMBBT Brittany tells Donny it is bittersweet, she would like to know if she should be excited or not to see her kids tomorrow. BB finally tells Donny to switch his mic. Zach is now in the HOH with Cody and Frankie. They are laughing about Caleb and his obsession, Cody says he told Caleb that Amber has her guard up because there are cameras everywhere. Cody says Caleb told them he was going to get 2 dill pickles and a banana and close them back up. Then if BB takes the pickles away he can chase after her with the banana and he will show her that inside something she hates is something she loves (She doesn't like bananas) and Caleb will then tell her "See you can't judge a book by it's cover". Zach and Frankie laugh. They all agree that they have to say something to Caleb but, he probably won't take it the right way. Zach tells Cody about Caleb's horse and carriage date plan for Amber from the other day.7:36PMBBT Nicole, Hayden, Christine, Victoria and Amber are in the KT, still just general chatting. The Caleb stories continue in the HoH. Cody and Frankie told Caleb Amber was holding back because of the cameras, hoping it would cool him off. Zach says it has gotten to be too much. We got a WBRB screen! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndigoAquarius Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 7:42PMBBT It is a "Mean Girls" session in the HoH. They are all sharing Caleb's secrets. The can not believe that Caleb took the money over the veto or even the Germany trip. They laugh about Caleb's plan to take Amber on a cruise to the Bahamas. Cody is hoping Amber blows up at Caleb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndigoAquarius Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 7:57PMBBT More gossipy chat in the HoH room! Derrick made his way up there. The KT talk turns to relationships. Hayden tells them about his first GF in high school "Typical cheerleader type." When Nicole starts talking about her old BF. We get WBRB! Feeds come back, all 4 are the HoH and Christine is now up there as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndigoAquarius Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 8:02PMBBT The HoH talk is if they have to actually bring Caleb upstairs and tell him to vote for Brit. Derrick says NO. He should just know. They tell Christine about Caleb's dill pickle/banana plan. She laughs. Victoria has made her way to the HoH as well. Frankie is in the tub now. He feels his needs to shave his unmentionables. Cody is in the WC and tells Frankie his razor is too light for that. Frankie says he waxes so it is not as much as there would be. Zach tells Victoria about Caleb's Banana plan and the cruise plan. Victoria says it is pathetic. The talk has turned to how Amber was rude to Christine. She said "I might have to borrow that skirt later." Christine told her that her booty might not fit in it and Amber replied "And that's why I make it look better." She also gave Christine attitude over chatting with Cody "How did your date with Cody go?" Christine said it was fine and left it at that. Victoria says that when she was cooking, Amber kept turning down the stove. It was frustrating for Victoria. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndigoAquarius Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 8:12PMBBT All 4 feeds are on the HoH and the Amber venting going on. Zach keeps saying how much he hates Amber. They all say Amber will be up there as soon as the cakes are done. They jokingly say there is now a "I hate Christine and Cody" alliance. They all laugh. Feeds 1/2 turn to the SR. Donny gave Brittany an empty paint bucket to take home. She says she will give it to her kids for a piggy bank. She starts opening doors to cupboards "Oh look we have garbage bags!" The feeds then turn to the KT and the funnel cakes are done, Amber piles the funnel cakes up and heads for upstairs with Nicole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndigoAquarius Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 8:20PMBBT Brittany and Donny are walking through the house, she is gathering her things up to pack. Jocasta comes down to the KT and tells Amber about Cody and something he did last night and they scream. Amber says she is so happy. They both look a lot happier than Cody is about whatever it was (it was muffled, I couldn't hear). Cody and Amber work on the garbage in the SR.8:30PMBBT Amber came charging out of the SR and Zach was on the other side of the door. We heard a thump and Zach is holding his nose. Amber is freaking out! She apologizes, asks a bunch of times "Are you ok?" and Zach is holding his nose just pacing. Cody yells "He is messing with you!" and Zach laughs. He had some ketchup on his nose, it was a set up. He runs to the WC to wash off his nose, Brittany was laughing. Amber says she thought he was really hurt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndigoAquarius Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 8:38PMBBT Cody is doing dishes, Amber and Donny are just chit chatting. They made their way to the SR. The HoH room is general chat. Frankie is out of the tub. Amber and Cody are now alone in the KT. She asks him twice if he is going upstairs. He says "I don't want to be up there all the time, especially while on LD" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndigoAquarius Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 8:43PMBBT Cody and Donny chat in the KT. Cody asks Donny where he lives, what it is close to. Donny says Charlotte. They talk about sports, where Cody has played. The talk turns to what tomorrow's HoH challenge will be. Donny says there are so many, he doesn't want to speculate. The HoH convo is light, full of laughs. The only HG we haven't seen in awhile is Caleb (but have heard about him a lot in the past hour!)8:50PMBBT Lots of brief WBRB breaks. Cody and Donny are talking about past competitions in previous seasons. Feed 4 shows the HoH TV on the KT. All 4 feeds go to the KT. Cody wonders if the challenge will be hanging on, endurance. Donny wonders if it will be true or false or before or after (too early for before or after)8:54PMBBT Frankie is getting dressed. They are doing the memorial for his Grandfather soon. He has a dress shirt on and a towel wrapped around his bottom. He pulls the towel off and has underwear on. He put on a pair of jean shorts. He tells them his Grandfather had "retirement home humor". 8:57PMBBT OK Frankie is dressed and they all say goodbye to him. It sounds like he is giving the Eulogy from the DR and they are not having a memorial in the house. Frankie makes his way downstairs and says he is going to shave. As he walks past Donny, Donny says "You look nice in that shirt!" and we get WBRB. Feeds come back for a few moments and another WBRB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brotayjax Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 9:05 PM BBT Frankie reads the letter from his mom telling him that his grandfather passed.9:09 PM BBT Frankie tells about how his grandfather was a great fighter. His grandfather turned over a company to his mother and she used that company to raise he and his sister. He talks about what a fighter his grandfather was and that his grandfather wanted him to stay in the house and fight. That he passed away knowing that Arianna was so successful. He says that this game requires that sometimes you have to get your hands dirty and he learned that from his grandfather.9:18 PM BBT Frankie says that if he wins the money next week for the TA mission then he will make enough money to build a school in Africa. His grandfather worked until the day he could do so. His grandfather wanted him to stay and fight and he will do so. He needs his fans to have his sister's back, his mother's, his aunts. He makes a call out to his Nonna. He tells his Nonna to be strong and tells his cousin Lonnie to be the rock for his family. He tells all the Ari-anators and Franki-steins thank you for their support. He's got something else to fight for. He's still going to build schools, but now he's going to build schools in his grandfather's name.9:20 PM BBT For those of you who haven't had a chance to hear Frankie read the letter from his Mom, here it is: My dearest Frankie,We love and miss you so much. I am sitting here with Nonna, Ari and your cousin, and are so sad to tell you that Grandpa lost his battle with cancer. Although it is so difficult, we thought it would be the right thing to tell you. We love you so much and want you to know that Grandpa specifically, a few days ago, said that if anything were to happen, he wanted you to know how proud he is of you and that he is rooting for you to win.Even though he had no idea what was going on on the show, he was watching just for you. Live feeds and all. He also insisted that whatever happened, he didn’t want to interfere with this opportunity for you. All of us are here strongly supporting you and encouraging you to stay in the game and work hard like Grandpa did his whole life, and as Grandpa wanted you to. He said so himself.Please don’t think about coming home. Think of how much Grandpa wanted you to stay. He is watching you from heaven, and I’m sure that is better than any live feed we have got. Be strong, as he would be, and smile as he deserves to be celebrated. Take your time, take deep breaths. We love you endlessly and are staying strong over here. We are waiting for you to have a celebration of his life when we are together in person at the end of September. We love you so much and want to hug you.I love you,Mommy9:25 PM BBT Frankie telling all the fans that he is going to play the game hard, thanking CBS for telling him. Telling his grandfather to rest in peace. Telling his grandfather for teaching him for teaching him to swim, to play pool because he's kicking ass in the house, for teaching him to dress like a gentleman, to act like a gentleman, that family comes first and for being the best grandfather a grandson could ever ask for. He blows the camera a kiss and says, "Time to go play big brother."9:30 PM BBT Cody, Christine, Nic, Zach, Hayden, Victoria, and Frankie in KT. Jocasta, Donny, and Amber in the LR. Everyone in the KT just hanging out. Amber is tired and talking about going to bed early.9:40 PM BBT Donny and Amber have joined the gang in the KT. Jocasta still in the LR. Cody, Christine, Nic, Zach, Hayden, Victoria, and Frankie in KT. Everyone gathered around having a good time together. Everyone talking over each other.9:40 PM BBT Cody comes to sit down by Jocasta who tells him she doesn't feel well. Cody says that maybe Caleb doesn't feel well either. Amber joins them and he says, "What's up beautiful?" She says, "Nothing. I'm really happy you got saved, Cody." [Cody was saved last night in a private little time with Jocasta.] She asks him what his favorite verse is. She says she wants to give him a verse from her to him and heads to go get the Bible. Jocasta says that Brittany was saved on July 15. Cody is asking for information about Catholicism vs. Christianity. He says that he is Catholic. A conversation ensues about what makes a Catholic and forgiveness of sins.9:50 PM BBT Cody asks if you have to convert from Catholicism to Christianity or vice versa. She doesn't know and has to call Donny over to get his input on the issue. A Bible study ensues in the LR with Cody, Jocasta, Amber, Brittany, and Caleb has joined. He seems to think he knows a lot, so I'm going to another feed. Derrick and Victoria go into the SR and he tells her that in her speech she should tell Brittany, Your worst nightmare has come true and I'm still here.9:55 PM BBT The KT crew--Christine, Nic, Hayden, Derrick, Victoria, Zach, and Frankie-- is talking about the hottest guys who have been in the BB house. Who do you all think belongs in this category?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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