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CrabMan

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It just always seems strange that there is suddenly a "twist" that brings back someone the producers feel is more popular,etc. It has happened for years and is really getting irritating.

I think this is a perception more in the minds of message board participants than any sort of reality.

  1. Every person that is cast is someone the producers think will be popular...that's why they were cast....it certainly wasn't their SAT scores.

  2. The people that get voted off, which is a necessary prerequisite to come back in a "twist", are either threats to the other competitors, or are seen as personally unpleasant by them. Neither of which, judging from what I've been reading on the 'net, is an accurate predictor of who is popular, so if the producers announce, to us, well before the event, that someone will return, but don't know who is going to be evicted, it's impossible to then say, they're bringing back those who they feel are popular...anyway, how do you think the producers decide on who's popular? Ratings? Some sort of scoring system?

  3. The producers offered to bring any of the previously eliminated contestants back, based on the viewing audiences selection or the houseguest's choice....So how can that be considered them bringing back the one they feel is popular, when it was the viewing audience that was making the determination...and the one they chose, by popular vote...Alex, didn't come back?

  4. The "twist" is what makes the game, a game..."expect the unexpected" wouldn't mean much if the contestants could accurately predict the entire sequence of events of the game...it would also lead to falling ratings if the viewers at home could tell what's going to happen...if you already knew, what would be the point of watching?

The insistence, by some, that there's some grand BB conspiracy is getting kinda irritating too (not the fine people proposing it, just their insistence :) )...just apply simple logic...a game is fixed to achieve some tangible benefit for the person fixing it...the producers don't have anything to gain...they already have the money. If they were after ratings to ensure future seasons, then, from the negative response to the thought of the game being fixed, what would be their motivation by doing something that drives the ratings down? Since they could do eliminations based on public voting...and could "fix" the votes because they could tell you the results, but you'd never know what those results really were. Instead, they base them on voting the viewers actually witness. Conclusion? I think the principle, Occam's Razor, is applicable if one thinks this game is being fixed.

Since I'm starting to irritate myself, this is the last thing I'll say about this topic...this week. ;)

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Good post CM, espiecially the SAT comment. lol

However, I think for the past few seasons (since 4, I think) every HG expects some sort of twist and THAT's how the producers get their mid-season twist ideas.

The producers offered to bring any of the previously eliminated contestants back, based on the viewing audiences selection or the houseguest's choice....So how can that be considered them bringing back the one they feel is popular, when it was the viewing audience that was making the determination...and the one they chose, by popular vote...Alex, didn't come back?

The only problem I have with this well thought out argument (again, kudos), is that I have zero faith in the online/ phone in voting system. I don't believe BB, american idol or any of them. I believe the producers bring back who they want to bring back. For the life of me, I cannot believe alex made such an impression on the viewers by doing absolutely nothing that a majority of people felt he should return. But telling the HGs they could've had Alex, only after they brought back James, "creates" more drama.

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Ok, Crabman, I need to put you on "Retainer" if I ever need a litigator. Well written, IMO, of course. :naughty:

Francis3, bringing Alex back was a PITY vote, IMO again, seeing how Amanda ripped any chance of him going any further. If I remember correctly, he did try to rally some sort of control at the beginning of the game. Plus, he WAS Matt's boy which could increase the "NUMBERS".

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wow

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Was anyone watching the live feeds at 3:00 a.m. EST when BBAD went off the air?

It ended with Chelsia and Adam in HOH and Chelsia telling Adam that if Sharon is on the block with Chelsia then James will not give his vote to Chelsia, but if Natty or Sheila is on the block he will give his vote to Chelsia. Adam went on to say he needed Natty and Sheila for votes if he gets put on the block next week. It was getting good then ended and we didn't get to see the out come.

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I'm not sure why some of you still believe that every moment in the last 9 seasons has been 100% legitimate with absolutely no producer interference. It's confusing.

Are there people who really think there isn't any funny business going down inthe big brother house? I think the problem comes when it appears that one contestant is favored over others.

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wow thread wasnt made lol

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Was anyone watching the live feeds today at around 3:00 a.m. EST when BBAD ended?

It cut off with Chelsia and Adam in HOH and Chelsia telling Adam that if Sharon is on the block with Chelsia then James will not give his vote to Chelsia, but if Natty or Sheila is on the block he will give his vote to Chelsia. Adam went on to say he needed Natty and Sheila for votes if he gets put on the block next week. It was getting good then ended and we didn't get to see the final out come was.

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Over the past two seasons I have come to accept that BB-US is not a traditional game show nor as fair as an entertainment show like Survivor. I believe now, more than ever, certain contestants are pushed by their producers to be in a position to win the game. The twists are designed for that. I don't think the hamsters are in on this behind the scenes manipulation so its interesting to watch them go about things as if they have an equal chance of winning. I don't really care for the set-up but I will continue to watch though I'm not nearly as emotionally invested as I once was. It seems the real contest is behind the walls between each hamster's assigned producer.

This is just my uneducated take on Alison's version of Big Brother. To me, BB has become a car wreck that I can't turn away from.

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I don't think too many think you said that the winner is pre determined, I just think that some peopkle think that some of the competitions are geared towards certain people, hey and if those people do not win, oh well, nice try, I do not think this show is fixed, but I do think somehow Allison Grodner has her little pet house guests and that she may have them think up things geared towards those pets of hers. She obviously loooovvveess James, she has made it look like he is this kid peddling across the contry for charity, blah blah, and he is a nasty gay porn guy, who has really bad tattoos, really bad nasy habits (hence the nail biting, and the pube hair) not to speak of lots of other stuff he has done that I have forgotton about. So I totally get what you are sayin XAL, there are people here who are hell bent on thinking everything is fixed, etc, and BB is not a game show, but a reality show with a prize at the end, just like the bachlor gets his girl at the end, I get it. some here will never be thinkin along those lines, some just are gonna say and think what they want till the bitter end, thanks for postin the FCC thing,lol

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I think that either the people behind the scenes of BB who ever they may be are either pushing the cast members a certain way or the cast members are really not the smartest people aand have little or no common sense.

Everyone laughs at Natty (including myself at times) but she came right out and said the plan she had about putting Josh on the block. To me that was a smart plan that could have made them the stronger team. It was right in Adams face almost screaming at him that something was not right. Ryan supposed to be with their side saying to put one of his two team members on the block and it was never questioned once why he would want to lose the numbers they had. Adam made sense to Chelsia last night that he needed Sheila and Natty for votes. Then he still puts Sharon on the block. Stupid now I'm sure with Chelsia gone James has all the time in the world to plan and make deals with no distractions.

If you get rid of the loud strong players or the funny crazy ones and leave the Sharons, Sheilas, and Ryans you get boring TV ratings drop and the show could be in trouble for the next season should the number of viewers drop, so I think at some points they the higher up steps in. The cast members are under contract and I'm sure must remain silent and maybe walk away with some bonus cash like Chelsia with $21,000.

If the cast is playing all on their own with no help coming from behind the scenes it's sad and they need all our prayers.

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It didn't suit the producers in some way so they broke it up. They even called it "Til death do us part" and they killed their own concept. It just goes to prove how they make up things to go along. Everyone kept saying how they couldn't wait for the couples to seperate because some of their favorite players were being brought down by their partners. I think the producers took the advice and canned their own idea. Plus, the want James to make it to the end, that couldn't be done that week if it were couples week.

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jerseygirl, That would be the BEST scenario, but I think that BB has exhausted the "twists" concept. I agree that the "Til Death Do Us Part" theme stank because good players were brought down by their partners AND truly only ONE person can win in the end. I hope you are right about saying adios to Sharon AND Chelsia. Chelsia is chum anyway.
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I would be thrilled with a dbl eviction, then maybe James could be sent packing along with Chelseia, boy that would piss him off,lol

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i been saying bb was rigged for years

i dont even dedicate threads about it anymore

unlike arnold shapiro allison godner is much more cocky with the rigness and doesnt even try to hide it

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I have always said there is a distict possibilty that certain things are rigged, meaning that some things are geared to certain people to give them the advantage, sometimes tho it doesn't work out.

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I agree Fatcat, I think they when James came in they felt sorry for him and decided they should make things turn towards him so he could win the money. They figured he could use some of the money to get lessons in what are toe nail clippers and how to use them, why you should shower daily instead of having to stick your hand down your underwear to see if it's shower time yet and why people don't play with their pubic hair. They think once he gets through with those lessons he might be able to get into college and learn how others his age interact with each other and see if he can live among the rest of society or have to be taken back into the forest.

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