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CG has won POV and Jms as HOH needs to nom someone else to sit next to W.

Here's what I see as the current structure of the house, and why. If you have any info from the feeds that shows another relationship I haven't mentioned, please post it below:

Jms is the "+1" in what I think of as "the Sov3 +1". (K, Jn, and H of course are the 3.) The 3 (esp. H) are likely to be loyal to one another, both out of friendship and the role forced on them by the rest of the house, until one is evicted (and of course they can't recruit anyone else into the alliance since any newcomer would know that once the competition was eliminated the 3+1 would target them.)

On "the other side" are CT and M/M Smith, apparently two 2's but, in Jase's mind if not Boogie's, a loose 4 (and if W really does go I think B will make the CT+M/M thing real - he's been pushing Jms away from noming Jase, and Jms already knew not to anyway.) And Jase WAS able, w/o being obvious, to strengthen CT's support of Diane and so evict N. CT doesn't seem aware of M/M.

And then there are the 4 floaters, Danielle, Marci, E and CG.

But Jms seems to think there's a super-alliance tying him, Danielle and Boogie together (and Danielle acts as though there is too.) If so, then W. and, in part M/M will be part of that group when it comes out into the open, which will be at the point where Jms thinks it's time to betray the Sov3. Within this group, I think E wants to be close to K when the 3+1 dissolves, so she's staying close to that group now. Marci may feel the same way about J (but he's gone againt the group in voting), and J has been cultivating this bond (apparently for the time when the 3 have to play against one another.) And I believe Danielle has promised CG that she'll NEVER vote against him.

So this leaves Jms not able to nominate the 3, or B or Danielle, and by extensiion M/M. And CG has the POV. That leaves only E and Marci to nom.

And I think that between his enjoying looking at her (and who knows what else up the road) AND her tie to K and loyalty-so-far, Jms does not want to lose E. yet.

Therefore I'd bet that Jms noms Marcellus to replace CG. And I can't see anything anyone (even Jaynie) says to him changing that: M is the ONLY one he doesn't think he has some influence with. I look for him to tell Janelle several lies about why he "can't" nom various others, in order to keep her from feeling he's betrayed her, but M. IS going to be James' nominee.

Anyone who's aware of other alliances, specific promises, or tacit bonds between/among the HG's, please post them below.

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Do you have info from the feeds to support that idea or is it just a suspicion? (She seemed to be trying to ally with K early on, but without any real acceptance by him, and since then I see Jms kind of flirting w/ E as much as an "attached" male can this early in the game. But I'm not sure anything has been SAID.)

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I don't see Erika with James at all. He is definatly with Danielle and the sov3 but also Mike and Will.

He is too spread out I think.

But I don't think Janelle will let them put up Marci why would they he's a vote for them and James knows it.

It will be a tough sell to Janelle.

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i think people have several alliances overlapping and that you really cant say which ones are stronger than the others.. besides Will/boogie and then Howie/kaysar/janelle/james (james being the weaker in that one)

from what was said in the HOH room last night, james is wanting to put boogie up. the only person he was saying he didnt want to put up due to him wanting to keep his word, is jase. i dont think he cares that he told the rest of the house they were safe. maybe safe from the orignial nominations, but if POV was used.

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Jms' talking about noming Boogie is pure lie/game-play. He thinks Dani/B and himself are the key secret alliance and he won't throw that away. He may be saying it to keep J quiet so he can nom M at the last minute and then "explain" why "it's not time yet" to go after B ("floaters first" is the likely lie) without her having a chance to get K and H to try to talk him out of it (in which case noming M WOULD be seen as a break with the 3+1, which Jms isn't ready for yet .)

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He won't nom Jase they said they would not backdoor each other...he won't put Danielle up, or Janie, ot Kaysar or Howie.

I think Marcellas or Erika is going up..maybe Diane again ...

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Reply to FIZZLE:

If by "this" you mean "Jms isn't ready to betray Sov3 yet") it's in the numbers: After the next eviction (until which Jms doesn't have to worry) there'll be 11 HG's: 1 HOH and 2 noms means 8 votes. Even if a Sov3 went this week that would leave the other 2 +M (if J survives) and +E (if K survives) and CG (who will always go to the other side from Jms from now on). And Jms isn't sure yet (as far as I can tell, whether W is sincere about leavng in the next two weeks - if he does the remaining Sovs will have the power.

I suspect Jms leaves the 3+1 immediately after W is evicted (or admits he wants to stay, if he does) AND a non-Sov wins HOH. BUt right now by staying Jms has the numbers on his side AND the outside thing just waiting for him to jump ship.

And noming M keeps ALL of that intact EXCEPT for Jaynie's unhappiness, but it'll be easy for him to spin that so it does not look like betraying Jaynie ("we can't save EVERYone and M voted against us in both the first two weeks - did you hear him w/ Kaysar?")

That's why he can't announce it NOW - cause if J got H and K to oppose the nom too, then it WOULD look like a split from the 3+1.

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This is why James overeacted so much yesterday. He knows his only choices are Erika and Marci. If he targets either one of them, his secret alliance with Will, Dani & Boogie is exposed.

Most people in his position would say oh well and just nominate someone else. But since he practically has alliances with everyone but CG, he has to betray someone.

I also think he spread himself too thin. That coupled with his incessant whining yesterday will make him a serious target next week.

He will get exactly what he deserves.

Although I will say that during his convo with Dani on Thursday nite, he seemed sure (of course) about Dani and Will, but not so sure about Boogie. My guess is that when they formed this pre-game alliance, Dani was the go-between and she talked to Will and Will talked to Boogie. Dani in turn talked to James. Therefore, since James probably never actually talked to Boogie, he may be a little unsure of him.

Jase is the obvious choice to go up, but James is adamantly against it. I believe there is more to it than just James telling him he wouldn't nominate him. He keeps saying he doesn't want to lie and he and Jase both were backdoored so he doesn't want to do that to anyone.

Remember this is the same guy who lied on a Bible. I believe a leopared doesn't change it's spots....James will lie to move forward in the game.

So why he is so worried about lying to Jase?? He's already been lying through his teeth to the S6 alliance.

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Do you have info from the feeds to support that idea or is it just a suspicion?
Jase just told Booger to work on James to put up Marcellas - Jase says he's a floater that's on your side "right now."

Boogie said there is no back door about anything - that they had a plan, it didn't work, now they have to regroup. Pretty much settles that Jase, Booger, and Will are together.

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all four peopel that weren't safe from eviction (will, boogi, jase & CG) were playing for the veto. They could have won it- but boogie & will didn't even try. I wouldn't think twice about putting them up- they had a chance to win the veto & be safe.

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Yes, which brings Diane into it too, though CT doesn't know it (but Jase DID get CT to move voters to save Diane.)

BUT last night Boogie said to Dani that only Jase thinks there's an alliance w/ CT - that he, Boogie, doesn't. So is B playing Dani (and by extension Jms)? or Jase?

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Hmmm..IDK if it is baackdooring since it was not planned like ytou said, but I think it is..since whoever is going up knows they are going cause WIll isn't going and the HG"s know that CG was going instead, so in a way I think it is and in a way Idon't think it is........ :lol: did I make any sense....

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no samg.. i wasnt meaning that.. i was asking how you know the following is true:

"Jms' talking about noming Boogie is pure lie/game-play."

how do you know if james is lieing about this or anything else. the only one that he was dead set against putting up was jase... so i am just wondering where your info is coming from/ did you see him tell someone he was lieing? or is this just your opinion?

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As recently as yesterday (Saturday) he was still talking about the him/Dani/Boogie alliance with Dani, and he seems to know Jase is tied to Boogie which is, I suspect his REAL reason for keeping Jase - to be #4 when he leaves the Sovs, making HIM the balance of power, changing a 4-3 conflict into a 3-4 alignment.

And from that perspective it DOES make sense to get rid of at least one more floater so that once Jms leaves thre will be fewer opportunities for the Sovs to take in 1 or 2 floaters to restore balalnce.

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No that is not what I was saying..

I mean James put WIll up against CG and ALL the HG"S knew they were evicting CG and NOT will since they all want to keep will another week..so whoever James puts up will know they are kinda being backdoored since it was known will was just a pawn...and there is not much time to sway anyone to vote will out.

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If Boogie and Will didn't try hard enough to win POV then in their minds they thought they were safe. Will thought this because he probably has alliances throughout the house and Boogie because something is up with James. Either way, I think and thought this from the beginning the M/M Smith (if that is what everyone is calling it-though I just think James was/is impressed with Danielles first game play) is James and Danielle.

Also, I don't have live feeds but people keep referring to George as a floater and there is no evidence to support that. A floater goes side to side carrying info (only enough to cover their asses) to each side. George hasn't done that from what I've seen on tv or read on these boards. My perception is he is being friendly and not burining his bridges and that doesn't really make him a floater. :)

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ok, so if james was in alliance with will and boogie and/or jase for that matter... why would the three of them sit around and trying to come up with a deal to approach james with to save them and to nominate marcellas this week? :huh:

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Thanks for info Fizzle....I only posted from what I am reading. Okay so there is no true alliance between the 3 and James. But, why didn't they try to win the veto - it makes me think they thought they were safe and maybe they did, but not sure now.

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this season is weird. who is wit who again :huh::huh: ?

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