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Lounge Area Across from the HoH room.  (Loft)
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10:36AM BBT

Cory has been talking with Cirie in the HNR. He is wearing his finale night suit. It is pink. Cory delivers his pitch to Cirie save him since he will always be a target for the other side.

Cirie: It makes sense. 

Cory: Just talk with Felicia

Cirie: I will





In the kitchen Jag says, “I think me and America are friends again.” Matt laughs.


10:41AM BBT

Cirie and Bowie compare notes with Felicia in Comicverse. Felicia says Cory’s plan was just made up in lockdown yesterday. Bowie says it just shows he will say whatever. Felicia says she didn’t even know what Cory was talking about, “just going around creating stories and spinning shit.”

Bowie: Am I allowed to know? He’s telling people he’s got my vote.

Felicia: well I said no, I didn’t want to entertain that idea. I’ve seen enough that I can’t trust it. He’s been taking out people left and right.
Cirue: Mm Hmm

Felicia says he would turn around and take her out next, “I’m helping you stay, but it does nothing for me. I’m not approaching him, but if he comes to me, I’m telling him we are not entertaining the plan.”



10:48AM BBT

Felicia recalls the situation of Cory coming to her and MeMe and wanting to work together then twisting it up by telling everyone that they came to him. 

Bowie Jane says she doesn’t think Cory’s suit is a good look.

10:51AM BBT

Cory is playing pool while America watches. She keeps sighing deeply.

11:03AM BBT

Jag and America have been talking outside on the balcony. They are bashing things out.

Jag: For me it felt like a betrayal. Hearing things you had said to Blue. I was upset and sad. I feel like I had been made a fool of. 

Jag says he felt strongly that talking to them about it beforehand wouldn’t have changed anything because he wouldn’t have believed them.

America tells Jag that her talk with Blue was focused on the Sirens, the girls’ alliance that Blue named. “I didn’t know this was a rat race….no mention of a final two, ever. Just let’s see how this goes and ride it out. And I feel she was really with it. Thus is my fault. I should have come and revealed everything to y’all after it happened.”


[America is not owning what she truly said about Matt and Jag. Cory and America were definitely targeting Matt & Jag. Blue was honest with Jag when she told him everything America had been saying. This is disappointing. -MamaLong]





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11:12AM BBT

America: moving forward, some people are saying they knew about this. Some people say they didn’t. Someone is lying. It’s stupid to lie about not knowing anything. So that’s it. Whether I stay or go, I still want to be friends. I’m taking this shit so personally, and my veto speech will haunt me forever. 

Jag is glad America has come to a point where they can both agree “it’s just a game but we are real people m, too. This stuff happens.”

America: Obviously I told Blue my targets would be you and Matt, but I don’t know. Blue is telling me she is never going to work with me again. Bowie us cagey. Cirie and Felicia are just there. We aren’t close. And I’m going to be separated from Cirie. He has been my person this entire time. 
Jag tells her he doesn’t want her to feel like she’s on an island “and I was like, get over it already. I was going to come say to you today  ‘look, you can hate me all you want, but can we be friends while you hate me?’ You can murder me in the game, but let’s be friends!”

Jag tells America she should campaign. America says she will but it’s been hard to have her head in the game because she has been so sad. “It would make sense for you to come after me. That’s expected, but the truth is, I want to be here longer than next week. I feel like me without Cory isn’t as threatening as other people in the house. That’s my pitch.”

11:22AM BBT

America: ahhh! A blindside Jag!?!? I am going to look so stupid. I’m just skipping that episode. I didn’t even wear makeup.

Jag says he was hurt, betrayed and enraged. “Damn! I could see it all fitting together and making sense” after dismissing rumblings about it for weeks.
America: it was never me saying you have to go after Jag and Matt! My thing was that I’m here for the girls’ thing. I just have to be more careful what I say to her.

Jag: it was a lot! Building trust has been a big thing for me throughout this game. 
America: I get it, again, and Cory had nothing to do with this. Along with the hurt from being blindsided, I also feel so guilty (for Cory)!

Jag: it wasn’t for funsies, just so you know!

They laugh recalling the veto meeting. Fake or not, these two seem much better now. 

He says he knows he is cooked (in the game) “fried, boiled, sautéed, pan seared…”Jag says he is relieved they have talked because he thought she was never going to speak to him again. 

America: well, I thought about it. 
She apologizes for her behavior and hopes they can be friends.

Jag: I don’t know! I hope things are okay for us.

America: we can talk when I win.

Jag:  I guess that’s the only way to move forward (to talk and build a relationship after the game)

America: I just want to say the door is still open for me for other targets, and that’s it.

Jag: So, are we friends?

America: I don’t knoooooooow!

Jag: I’m not the type to hold grudges. I knew you would get mad.

America: We’ll try

Jag: You felt some kind of way. I felt some kind of way. We felt some kind of way. But can we be friends?

America: I guess we can be friends.

Jag: Yayyyyyyy

America: Oh Jag! I’m cooked, too.

Jag: We both are! Let’s be honest; we are both cooked. I’ll just sign my death sentence. It’s been fun. At least we made it to jury. We are both going down in this bitch.

America: Bowie Jane is going to win.


Jag says it sounds like she will be the one staying. America tells Jag that “Blue promised me her vote.”

They end their talk.

Jag: Well good luck next week.

America: Good luck, for your sake.


11:48AM BBT

Jag heads downstairs and fills in Matt on the conversation. “It went good.”

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1:00PM BBT

In the kitchen, Jag fills in Felicia and Cirie on his talk with America while Matt listens. Jag mentions the following talking points; she apologized; she threw Blue under the bus; she said she’s hurt and knows she isolated herself; she agreed to be friends 



in the HNR, Jag tells Matt that America also said she hasn’t closed the door to working with them but they can’t let anyone know she said that or they will evict her. Matt agrees.

1:28PM BBT

Cory talks to the cameras in the loft outside (details coming)

All right. I think I'm officially cooked. Well, straight up, I was probably cooked the second this back door happened, maybe the second American talked to Blue. But I think I am an officially just being bullshitted by everyone. Felicia, especially. Felicia and Cirie to be honest. Even if they were on board, again, Bowie is gonna be so hard. And I don't have a plan beyond this. There are just not enough votes up for grabs, you know? Like, this is what it is.   There's five votes. Matt is unattainable. Blue is unattainable.  Maybe Blue is possible, but it's just not, it's not realistic, and I'm obviously, you know, just going to ride and die with this Cirie, Felicia and Bowie idea. That's all I got! I think it's an interesting pitch. I like the plan of it. That's all I got. The thought of it is it's just pretty hard to pull off.  I don't know how good of a move it even is for Cirie and Felicia, truth be told. I don't know about that. Me trying to convince them it's the best move is hard. 


You know, it's a really complicated game. I think, all things considered, I am really proud of how I did. I am treating this as if I'm gone, by the way. Something could happen, but I think I'm good as done. I had a really good experience. My goal coming in here was to be here long enough to actually play the game, right? To get a chance to play, to try to make a move, to try to do something, and I think I did that, truthfully! I think in my time here, I played harder than anyone else in the house, start to finish. 



1:29PM BBT

I think over the past several weeks, it may have seemed I chilled out a bit.  And the truth is, I didn't want to make a move for the sake of making a move, you know?  I feel like that might be kind of what I did to Izzy, but I think it was important, you know? And I think that was an interesting choice, and I think it's something where I don't know if it was the right move, but it, obviously, is not something I will ever regret.  I'm proud of that.  I think the MiMi/Felicia vote might have been a problem. I mean keeping MiMi is probably the right call there, and to try and pull MiMi in as my number, because the idea of keeping Felicia here as a weak competitor makes sense, but the truth is I was going to be someone who needed to be dragged towards the end and not someone who can drag other people towards the end. I don't have the competition chops. That was, I think, the wrong decision. It also led to me being called out, again! Which is fun, but not ideal.


I've had a lot of confrontations in this house, way more than I had anticipated, which, again, it's not been that many. The Hisam stuff on day 6 is its own thing. I don't want to really go into all that. I just hope everyone is doing all right. Then, obviously, the Humiliverse thing was wild. Hope you guys got to see the whole thing. Then I had my big thing with Felicia. I followed Jared in the HoH Room week 5, Sludgestackers...meter drop. I've had an amazing time in the Diary Room. I hope it comes out funny. I've had such a good time. 



1:31PM BBT

Competitions? I never really give a shit about competitions. Before this, during this, after this, winning the double eviction HoH is probably the best moment in my life.  It was just so fun, and the stakes were so high. And you know, we got Jared to go that week or that cycle, which was incredible! I'll remember that until the day I die! Hugging America! Matt winning the veto. That was awesome! I don't have any hard feelings for anybody. I don't like Cameron, for obvious reasons. Call it what it is. You guys can theory crap on (?) I don't care. I mean, I'm just not a fan! Fun dude to talk to though. He was also a jackass.



1:32PM BBT

Yeah, I would like to just put it out there... Like, I am the main person to feel bad about Izzy because I know how bad she wanted to be here and how much it probably stung coming from me because I feel a little bit of that from Matt and Jag, but not too much. Obviously, I don't regret the move. It's Big Brother. It's a game. She respected the game as much as anybody. But I'm sorry! You're a great person and I am the reason your dream ended the way it did. I feel bad about that. I didn't think I would, but I do. I'm sorry, I don't feel that way for MiMi so much because everyone wanted her gone. And she kind of attacked me on her way out the door. Again, I like MiMi a lot. I don't hold it against her. Respect to Jared going out the way he did. Twice! He's a good dude. There are some ways he talked about people that I disagreed with, but all things considered, I think he is a nice guy and I look forward to hanging out with him after. 


Let's talk about this week a little bit. I'm trying to think about exactly where everything went wrong. I think the Felicia/MiMi vote was a point where I could have made my position better, and I probably made it worse.  I don't think that was great. I think, truthfully, if I had HoH this week, I would have taken the shot! I would have. I don't know if it would have been the right move, but I would have. And next week, if I won, I had already been saying before I even got backdoored  I would have done it.  So, I don't have any regrets there.  It's not like I had the chance to take  a shot and didn't. 

1:35PM BBT I gave up on this conversation and stopped at this point. I just got tired of listening to Cory.  -ML





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3:13PM BBT

Cory is talking to a crying America in the backyard. He tells her that he is satisfied and way more happy than she can imagine, "and that's because of you."

Cory: I'm tired. I can't do this game. It's too much for me. But you can do it. There is not that much left!

America: I know! It's just three weeks. I do think it's a good plan.

Cory tells America that once he is gone the plan still works. 







3:26PM BBT

I'm out for now.  -CL


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4:24PM BBT

Bowie Jane finishes a talk with Cory and asks Jag to have a chat outside.

BJ: Hey, who are you saying to Felicia that you are putting up next week?

Jag: I haven't said anyone, just that America is the target.

BJ: He is saying that you told Felicia you said me and Blue.

Jag: That's not true. He is obviously playing the game to try to get you to flip. There is no reason for me to say anyone's name but America's

Bowie Jane gets emotional. Her lip begins to quiver. Her voice gets shaky, and tears begin to flow.

Jag assures Bowie that they are solid and she has never said her name to anyone.

BJ: But he comes out with such specifics.

Jag: He is saying all of these things but that's why he is such a dangerous player.

BJ: Oh, I am voting him out tomorrow!

Jag continues to reassure Bowie Jane that he has never even talked about beyond America with anyone but her and Matt.

Bowie Jane: But these late night secret conversations? I trust that it's fine but I don't really know, you know? Like last night, you Cirie and Felicia in a room. All that stuff doesn't look good, and people are watching. It doesn't look good. It's like a pull back.

Jag: You feel a pull back from me?

BJ: A little bit But I guess you don't need to work on me.

Jag assures BJ that everything he said to her and Matt is true, "the things he is saying? None of that is true at all!"

I haven't cried since Izzy. I have to get it together.

Jag: Don't cry!

She grabs a towel and wipes up her face.

Jag tells her that his only plan is to protect the three of them. He apologizes and says that they shouldn't be surprised by what Cory is trying to pull, "I don't want you to think, in any way, I am not 100% with you and Matt. Like, 100% the squad."

Bowie says she believes Jag but she is just scared.







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4:41PM BBT

Jag: The game is obviously crazy! Here is the fact of it. These last three weeks are going to be even crazier than before. Everyone is going to be saying things about you, about me, about Matt. Why is Cory trying to get you to distrust me so much? The reason he is trying to put a wedge between you and me and Matt is because he knows, and he is fucking scared. He knows the three of us are gonna be solid, and that's that.

Bowie: Yeah

America joins them and the conversation ends.


5:00PM BBT

Felicia, Blue and Cirie are making dinner (as usual).



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Throughout the night, Bowie cried to Jag, Matt, Felicia and Cirie. She is emotionally spent after her talk with Cory. Felicia talked to her and assured her she never said anything like that to Cory.


11:00PM BBT

In a funny moment, Felicia and Cirie were whispering in Comicverse while Felicia was sitting on Cirie's bed filing her toenails. 

Felicia: I need my toenail clippers. I think I'm gonna have to remove this toenail.

Ciire: Uh! Nah! Listen! Over there!

Felicia laughs

Cirie: When you are doing toenail surgery? Over there!  I draw the line. I'm drawing the line right here. No! Ugh huh! No toenail surgery on my bed. You have a whole bed over there to remove your toenails and all this shit! You left literal toenail dust on my bedspread.

Felicia: No, I didn't (still laughing)

Cirie: I'm looking at it! I'm...looking...at it!

Felicia: I'll come get it.

Cirie: Oh my God!

Felicia: I'll use the lint thing and get it.

Cirie: Where is the lint fucking roller. No, I'll use these! (wipes) Oh my God! (with clinched jaw) There is literal toenail dust on my spread. I'm losing it. Oh my God!

Felicia: No there's not!

Felicia continues laughing.

Cirie: I'm telling you! I promise you. When you watch this back you gonna see the toenail dust.

Felicia: You said watch this back!

Cirie: Oh, yeah. They gonna show this!

Felicia: I'm gonna have to go to a podiatrist.

Cirie: I know a few! Oh, maybe not in your area!

Felicia: Right! I was gonna say, 'Are they in Georgia?'

Cirie tells Felicia she doesn't want the emery board back. "I have another one."

Felicia: Oh, I can keep this one? Thank you! (Felicia cackles)


[Yeah, so, it was really gross. The whole time Felicia was grooming her toenails, I was thinking, Ew! Cirie had her body turned away from Felicia and I could see her cringing over it, so I do believe she was tolerating as much of it as possible. -MamaLong]










Felicia and Cirie continue whispering about Matt and Jag making Bowie feel comfortable and calming her down. 

Felicia: I told him I can't be the proverbial pawn. Her (Bowie Jane) ass ain't been up yet! Matt's ass ain't been up yet!


11:04PM BBT

In the backyard, Blue is teaching Jag common catch phrases in Korean.

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