FeloniousMonk

This family needs to raid Russel's bank accounts & hire shrinks by the busload... I wonder if their local Costco has a special on a pallet of shrinks...

It would be hard to argue against the proposition that these good ol' boys have a very skewed perception of reality. (Merriam Webster:: : Sociapathic:: of, relating to, or characterized by asocial or antisocial behavior or an antisocial personality) Given this glimpse into their view of socially acceptable behavior, in all probability, these guys may very well be sociopathic personalities.

I hope that I never see another Hantz for as long as I live. One is too much... Three, well, that's downright abusive...

Monk

In thinking about Willie and his chaotic world, it occurred to me that he & I have something in common....

I received my grad degrees in Math & Comp Sci from a three letter school in Cambridge Massachusetts... Our pal WIllie received his grad degree in paranoid self-destruction from Swamp U. See, it is a small world after all...

Monk

I don't like people like Willie... His filter is nearly non-existent and his ability to control his emotions is non-existent... In my very humble opinion, Willie is a selfish, immature, highly manipulative, ego-centric hot head. So as a person I find him to be someone that I would work to avoid. But,,,,, this is BB.

As a BB HG, he is pure gold. He's been disloyal to his coach, his teammates, and his secret alliance... In the absence of good guys to root for, really interesting bad guys form the essence of BB... It is very the reason this show is so compelling to watch.

Willie does deserve credit for creating some very entertaining chaos. Unfortunately, he appears to be on the verge of cracking... I hope he keeps it together and plays a better game from this point on.

I also hope he's still in the house when the feeds come back.

Monk

Before we had a chance to get to know any of the HGs, they all might have become one of my favorites... But after those first few days, this guy has worked hard to be an irritating lump...

His 'Goodbye' message to Kara was classless... I hope he follows Willie out the door...

Monk

Marty,

As I posted in the "Venting" thread, I haven't found a favorite yet...

We have one entertaining paranoid nut, a gaggle of lost geese looking for a leader, and few that haven't shown us who they really are yet... So far, I haven't been able to get a fix on Ashley yet. I am left to hope she reveals herself to us soon...

Monk

This has been a tough season for me to build any interest. So far I haven't found a player to root for...

Willie's meltdowns are the most interesting part of the goings on to date, but I am beginning to tire of his paranoid antics...

It's just week one so I still hold hope that someone steps forward and becomes a player I can support.

Monk

Ashley is one very tough read...

Monk

Willie was fun for awhile, but he's become tiresome in the last day or so....

His biggest mistake so far was when he screwed the pooch by blowing up his own powerhouse 6 person alliance after Brit told him that Janelle had figured out that he & Frank had a 'secret' alliance... That was, without a doubt, fun TV, but his constant ranting about how everybody else is a lying fool has worn thin...

Poor Willie's overplaying makes for good TV but unfortunately he seems unable to keep himself from overplaying to the point of foolishness.

It's time for this entertaining nutcase to settle down and get his paranoid evil twin Skippy under control... fade into the wall paper Willie... Let that target you put on your own back fade a bit before your next insane move...

Monk

Willie is definitely a Hantz and he's one of very few actually playing the game... I don't like him, but I've got to give him credit for the fun he generates by way of his paranoid evil twin Skippy Hantz.

Week One in Willies World:

1. Willie makes a 'secret' alliance with Frank.
   
2. Willie nominates Frank... Huh?????
   
3. Willie does everything in his power to 'save' Frank, including some entertaining moments of paranoia...
   
4. Janelle tells Brit that she thinks Willie has a 'secret' alliance with Frank... (pretty obvious 'secret' alliance)
   
5. Brit tells Willie about Janelle's thoughts on the none too 'secret' alliance...
   
6. Willie loses him mind...
   
7. Willie decides he has no choice but to sideline Janelle in order to discredit her...
   

Sooooo, Willie leads a revolution and chooses an opening gambit of throwing all of the coaches under the bus.... Viva Che Hantz...

Wow, nut cases do make for interesting TV... Even more unbelievable is the reaction of the other cast members to his ridiculous rants... Incredibly, they buy into his nonsense... What a first week!

Monk

Ok, I'm ready for the show to start!!! I feel like that old Mervyn's commercial, I just want to press my nose against the computer monitor and chant "Open Open Open!!!" =)

And it's a beautiful nose you've got there, Teri... But what's with all the fur & the big ears????

Monk

Hi all... Here we go again...

Marty, how are you?

Erin are you back?

Fatcat, How's life been trating You?

I hope to catch up with the rest of my friends here as we take this ride together...

Monk

I love the way the season ended with two exceptions: Porsche & Adam.

Rachel's blossoming into a multi talented player was just terrific. We all knew her as a fierce competitor but now we know she has some social game cards up her sleeve as well.

Thankfully, her first season reputation has been mitigated by her second season personal growth. I do expect the old Rachel to surface at times of stress but that is just human nature.

Jordan should get some cheers too as she definitely helped Rachel to become a more balanced person and player.

Monk

Oh my, another one! Aggressive style? I simply stated my opinion concerning a houseguest and was accused of being "passive aggressive" for bothering to point out her nicer attributes as well as critique her (non)gameplay. I don't care for bullies, especially when they pretend to have class. Have a lovely evening.

WG,

I offered no opinion with respect to your JJ arguments because your opinion doesn't mean much to me given the facts that I don't know you or Jeff or Jordan and more importantly, the season is over. Furthermore, whether one cheers for Jordan or not, she came in forth and we are all stuck with that truth.

You've had a rough start here. You've received feedback from longtime posters that you have chosen to toss aside, apparently without a moments consideration. Hopefully, one day you will give thought to the notion that the reception you've been given is a direct result of the entrance that you made? We all teach others how to treat us. Disagreement is almost a requirement if we are to have an enjoyable conversation. But once argument devices such as, leveling, balancing, & labeling are used the conversation is over and fighting is all that is left.

You opened your posting life here by dropping little slices of snark on posters you disagree with and then when these posters toss a snark grenade back in your direction your answer is to whine and bandy about the word "bully." Again, this" bully" issue comes close to describing yourself... I don't think you have crossed the "bully" line but you definitely are very accustomed to baiting your fellow posters and it is only a few small steps until you become a bona fide bully yourself.

Say what you want about the HGs, but condescension, baiting and demeaning fragments directed at posters will be met with ever increasing focus on you style and ever decreasing focus on the content of your posts.

You choose; You can either engage in freewheeling conversation or marginalize yourself here by joining with the contrarians, trolls and malcontents by constantly engaging in fights.

I hope you choose the former.

Monk

We definitely disagree on some things and you're right, it IS just a game. In the grand scheme of things, it means nothing, but your attitude toward other posters DOES matter. I'm surprised you get away with some of your remarks here because it's apparent you have difficulty being civil or diplomatic towards those who don't share your opinions. And speaking of class, maybe you shouldn't discuss subject matter that you're ignorant of by all accounts. People come here to enjoy the conversation about a reality show. Who gave YOU permission to be the judge, jury, psycho-analyst & executioner? How's THAT for passive-aggressive. *laughing* just sayin

Hmmmm... Interesting post. It leaves one to ponder whether wisegal's recent posts were a study in irony or reflective anger?

In other words, has wisegal been aware of her own aggressive style, condescending tone and demeaning content or not!

If not, for the present, let's all enjoy the irony of wisegal's post and for the future, we can exercise our "Ignore" button...

If so, then our new friend wisegal does indeed understand that her message's best audience was herself and merely misdirected her words at another poster....

Monk

LOL not everything is about Jordan. She had the game in mind up until her last vote, and I seriously doubt Jordan had anything to do with that.

Actually, Rachel & Jordan talked about this very issue just prior to Jordan's eviction. They both knew Shelly & Adam were the key votes AND they both knew Shelly would do what she could to get off Jordans Sh**list. So this plan was concocted to work the only two jury members that might be swayed to vote FOR Rachel. As it turned out, Adam spent zero time in the jury house and therefore Jordan was left to sway the only vote that might be swayed:: Shelly's vote. So, nuero, it was in part about Jordan.... Check the feeds, my friend,,,,check the feeds....

Monk

What I find most interesting here is that the behavior isacceptable and welcomed to a wide audience. Reality TV seems to be teaching usthat aggression and manipulation are not just welcomed but preferred. I don

Well I am screwed then, Monk seeing as how my father is a native Chicagoan and I live in Illinois and have for the last 11 years. I must be reading everyone wrong I used the term "bully" as some of the HGs used it. I hated the fact that they were intimidated by a player that never finishes well in these shows and that they felt the need to be protected by him. I do feel that his attitude is a little abrasive...but nothing they should have been afraid of.

My roots are also in Chicago. Six generations to be exact.

Using the term as "some of the HGs used it" does nothing more than support an incorrect use.

The fact that you "do feel that his attitude is a little abrasive...but nothing they should have been afraid of" makes my point. The definition of any behavior is never based upon the most sensitive amongst us.

If Kahlia felt intimidated or bullied, then she needs to grow a mature adults thickness of emotional skin. That's not to say that we can be compassionate to people like Kahlia but we cannot let their extreme sensitivity drive our standards of behavior.

Monk

Shelly hurting Jordan's heart...YOU WILL NEVER FORGIVE HER FOR THAT? OK lol. I was upset that Jeff totally lied to Daniele and saying she was safe after she kept him safe a few weeks, but it isn't my place to forgive or not forgive him. It's a TV show...if I ever get THAT involved, I will be contacting the nearest psych ward.

You do realize that these people breathe, bleed, live, love and die, don't you? How about taking a moment and pondering the concept that these people are actually every bit as real as you are.

It sure sounds like you are saying you differentiate the appropriateness of abuse of people by separating them into two groups, those on tv and those who are not on tv.

As I posted earlier, if one enjoys watching people dismantle each other, then my post won't make sense and caring for people would be a great reason for entering the psych ward.

Monk

Because he stepped up and won a few comps once Dani put doubt in his head that he was going to cruise all summer? Jeff/Jordan figured they were golden with power duos like Brenchel and the Donatos on their side. Jeff's abrasive attitude and bullying of other HG's don't make him likeable unless he's bullying people you dislike. I've never disliked him or Jordan until this season...life for them is different now, they are celebs. I have more respect for Brenchel, at least the hunger to win and need for the money was still there...

IMHO, your post suggests a lack familiarity with one or more of the Chicago voices[meter, tone, volume.] This would explain reading a Chicago accent and attitude as an attempt to bully.

It would be a mistake to describe Jeff as a bully; a frustrated guy, yes, a bully, NO. As the game progressed, his frustrations did grow, but this growth came from his desire for the game to be played by the HG in a manner free of anger and free of the behaviors that generate anger. Of course, if one's cup of tea is watching as people destroy each other, then I can see why Jeff would be a bother.

He's a plain talker to be sure. He says exactly what he means... no prettying up the message. Just straight and on the topic. When Kahlia turned on him by putting him up, he told her exactly what the effect of her actions would be, no wishy-washy circling the point, just the straight truth of it. If either a HG or a viewer is so thinned skinned as to take that as bullying then it's on them, not him.

Monk

She will be fine at school. While I am a huge big brother fan you people are acting crazy. You really think anyone is going to pick on Josie or talk about her mom because of a reality tv game show move???

My niece is friends with Josie and she goes to a great school with great parents.

I also really like JJ but think logically people its a GAME!!!!! And Shelly made a great move.

Oh and once again:

Does everyone forget that a few weeks ago when Shelly was on the block JJ was trying to see if they had enough votes to get rid of her?

Are we watching the same show?

Playing the game is one thing, but what Shelly did was unconscionable.

It was also completely unnecessary, cold-hearted, mean-spirited and exceedingly stupid to go to the extremes that shelly went to draw Jordan into a "friendship" only to spring the trap and ambush Jordan.

Is that what we teach our kids today? Get Ahead!!!! Trick people into false friendships and be sure to draw your marks in as far as possible in order to get some personal gain!!

Hey, it's just game... Hey it's just a job... Hey it's just money... Hey, it's just a... If that kind of standard of behavior is common where you live then I'm glad I live where I do. Is that kind of behavior included in what is taught to our little league players down south??? "Hey, it's just a game!!"

The "it's a game" argument is a lame one.

One's character is always on the line. It is defined by our behaviors in everything we do. I played D1 baseball for a large University after I left Viet Nam and finished my hitch in the USMC. If anyone ever had a right to be negative, it was me, after what I had just experienced. But I held tight to the life lessons my family embedded in my character.

On the other hand, some ball players would come into second base with spikes up to gain the advantage of fear of injury over he second baseman. "Hey, Spikes up... it's just a game,... why get upset about a little thing like a ligament injury caused by a spike ripping threw your flesh????" I and the players I respected, would not and did not play the game that way. In the end, I stole more bases per season than my rival that came in with spikes up. That always felt good to beat that jerk in power hitting, rbi, batting average and STOLEN BASES.

If shelly's character had been anywhere near as she constantly described, she would never have pulled such a vile move. Had she just waited until the final 5 to duke it out and then if Jeff went, she could have gone to the final two with anyone from Jordan to Rachael, to Adam. In that scenario it WOULD have been just good gameplay... AND she would have ensured that she received votes from the vets.

With respect to your comment about it being a good game move, keep the following in mind. Doing what she did, she'll NEVER get the FOUR vet votes...without at least one she cannot win!!! Good luck with that Shelly!!!

In what contorted logic can that ever be seriously described as a good move. All she has done is hurt someone, betray her alliance, take maggies place as most hated BB player, and ensure she can't get enough votes to win the game!!

Her family should be left out of this discussion. The less mentioned the better.

Monk

So True! I think there's two definitions the BB community uses for "floater"

1. an alliance swapper based on power.

2. a person who "floats" through the game by not making any moves or decisions of their own

Maybe we need another word for #2. All season BR & JJ have been saying the other side were floaters "because they don't do anything or win anything"...so people are using their own words. Love Jordan, but she is an ultimate floater based on her OWN definiton of the word.

I think you may have Jordo's definition of a floater wrong. She often followed describing a player as a "floater" with a statement about this person's greatly reduced risk as the gamers took each other out.

Jordan was always at risk, and for a few too many reasons as it appears to be turning out.

• She had already won.
  
• Some players had stated that they would NEVER even put her on the block. That sounds good, but it enlarges the target on her back for the other players.
  
• Her tie to a strong player like Jeff.
  
• The biggest and most difficult reason was the "Couples" issue. The very notion of a couple marked them for extinction. Splitting them up is a very tough issue for them to fight off. It was a 3000lb gorilla of a liability that was constantly hanging over their heads and flashing "Send Me Home" like a neon sign over a "Girls * Girls * Girls" bar. No "Floater" ever had an anchor that heavy to carry to the end.
  

Both J & J knew & had obviously accepted the likely possibility that they would be on the block simultaneously and that if Jeff could get off Jordon would more than likely be gone because of the reasons above. But the difference between Jeff's departure and the others departure is SheDevils betrayal combined with the compressed timeframe.

Jordo has had little to no time to digest either of these issues. Add to that her beautifully decent nature and it is easy to understand her fracturing. She is dealing with a loss of a trusted friend[sheDevil], a shockingly unexpected betrayal, the loss of her man from her side, the feeling of inadequacy & shame she feels as a result of her one on one loss of the HOH to Kahlia. And then consider the fact that all of this has happened to her in a single day.

• On the feeds last night as Jordo was crying, she blurted out that she can't be trusted to come through for her friends in these competitions.
  
• Jordon also took herself to task for telling so much to SheDevil, thus loading SheDevil with ammo which the disgusting one then used against Jordan's alliance. So now, she feels she let her alliance down by talking to much.
  
• And then the Coup de Grace, after SheDevil & Jordon had it out, Jordon took herself to task for acting like a fool. Her word, not mine. Personally, I was very happy to fight that nauseating Skank.
  

Instead of blaming others, she looks to herself for these issues she sees as personal failures. Juxtapose Jordon's inward looking reaction to Dani's & Kahlia's reactions when they suffered a loss.

Adam, Yugo, Kahlia, & Shedevil were never in any actual danger of leaving as the real gamers fought it out. These people are floaters. Jeff, Jordan, Brenchel, and Dani are anything but floaters, their BB lives were always at risk.

This is shaping up to be one very bad season of BB. A floater with a Styrofoam personality will win... Just what we needed, another Jun. Add to that, the most likely winner is a person that shares many of Mike Boogies wonderful character traits... Yuck!! And all of this was set in place by a women who has just sealed her fate to lose lose lose. The Mean girls won't trust her, the Vets will never give her their FOUR votes BUT she did take Maggies crown as the most hated BB player to date.

Monk