FeloniousMonk

I agree HN... GM's remarks and behaviors have be horrible at times... but watching her truly self destruct is not entertaining... it's just sad....

In my opinion, she definitely needs to clean up her perspective and work on her self image but I wonder if she has the stability she'll need to deal with the blowback that is coming her way... I detested her behavior, but she is a human being and I do feel sorry for her. She needs a safe place to land when she gets out... I hope that she leaves the house soon and I hope she finds that safe place...

Monk

So, it's not OK to insult the HGs, but it's OK to insult other posters? "Middle-schoolers, adolescent and childish."

Very hypocritical if you ask me.

I've come to expect this sort of snarkiness from you and I do understand that you cannot see the difference between commenting on a person's physical attributes and commenting on their behavior...

Sorry, I won't spew any pseudo-intellectual bullcrap about the HG for you because if I want analytical conversation about people's actions and character I wouldn't come to Morty's site. Yes, many of us would be shocked to discover that you had posted anything that even came close to earning the word "intellectual."... but "mean", well, that we've come to expect from you.

I might have given your post some merit, but I see you have no problem with comments about HGs looks in other threads. Are you suggesting that you think that I should post my dislike of your nasty posts on the other thread as well? How very open minded of you...

I'm doing a good job withstanding the onslaught of sanctimonious bullcrap on these boards. I guess I can withstand anything. I admit, I do believe that you must have alot of experience in dealing with blowback for your comments... your life must be a real dream...

Yes, it looks like you would like to control the discussions here. Control... no... Enjoy a peaceful, rational, mature, funny, entertaining, interesting discussion... well, yes that would be nice....

I'm really scared for this child when she gets out! She seems unstable! I don't want to do anything stupid To herself after all this stuff goes down when she get out the house

I have been thinking the same thing... this is going to be very hard for her to handle. Given her reaction to Nick's eviction it's evident that her coping skills need some strengthening. I do hope her family cocoons her as quickly as possible after she leaves the house... She'll need it...

Given the reactions to events in the house that we've all seen thus far, I am wondering how she made it passed the psychological testing that BB supposedly employs to determine which applicants have what it takes to live in this fishbowl...

Monk

I agree with you for the most part, however, I think noting that Andy has elf ears is not making fun or negative. I also pointed out that Aryan's ribs are larger than her boobs because that might point to an eating disorder making her too thin. I think Trump's mouth looks like a fish and to note that someone's lips purse to make them look somewhat like a duck's bill is also merely descriptive. What bothers me is when some woman has a decent body and people are calling her fat. There is such a perception that women ought to be anorexic with huge boobs that I find scary for the health of women. I also do not find men with big muscles the only male form that is attractive. I am less interested in how the people look and more interested in how they think and strategize. what I really agree with you about is the spirit of how the physical is noted. I do not like the negative and hate about a physique when the character of the person is not actually even noticed. I do wish people could get to the state of realizing that the physical says little about a person. Beauty is not a measure of goodness nor is ugly a measure of some deficiency.

Like I said to slim, an occasional jab or swipe at a HG adds a little spice to this place but only when it is either interestingly informational or playfully done... The swipes that add no value to the discussion and are essentially nothing more than mean,,, well, those are the ones that I am talking about....

Monk

Hi Monk - I miss your posts. I always have loved your insightful take on the house guests. Quite a bunch of looney tunes this season. Who are your favorites? I don't have one. For some reason I really liked Shady Nick but ... he is gone now.

Hey there Marty... I always enjoy your posts too... I don't have a favorite HG this year and I don't see one rising up.... This is one screwy cast.

Your Friend, Monk

On your soapbox MUCH? There is nothing worse than a GOODY GOODY that whines about OTHER people's posts. How's about going and finding a Care Bear forum? You get one on here every time. < insert eyeroll >

As a rule the one's that complain about OTHER'S posts are insecure and find the insults to hit home directly. They're also the first to cuss in traffic, cheat on their taxes or bitch about how the neighbors dog barks.

Can't handle other's posts? Don't read them. Finger pointing is NO BETTER than the people you are sniveling about.

~ holier than thou lmao~

Next..............................................................

So... it looks like I touched a nerve.... hopefully, at some point you'll take a moment to reflect upon your need to demean others physical attributes and consider growing up...

If I have offended you with any of my posts, Monk, I apologize. I am guilty. I know that I am and I know that it can easily become an unattractive habit. I will be more careful. You know that I respect you.

Slim,

I'm not talking about the occasional jab or swipe at a HG, so you really don't fit into the category that I am talking about. I'm talking about the constant drumbeat of personal attack that comes from the few..

Slim, you have been a favorite of mine for years, along with erinjs, marty, fatcat, uvp(athough I never seem to agree with uvp), myss911, auroradawn, slowpoke, kissesinVA and others... Please don't take my post to suggest otherwise.

Monk

Oh man this place is always full of controversy on one side or the other. You just cannot please everybody all of the time.

I am one of the guilty who has called Elissa a duck face and even posted a caricature that I made in photoshop of Elissa with a duck face.

I am sorry if I have caused you offense, it was meant as humor, hence the word "caricature". Unfortunately it is difficult for me to see past her plastic face and duck-like lips.

Maybe if more mature people like yourself posted more mature comments more often it would ward off some of the childish behavior that floods this forum.

Unfortunately, this is the first post that I have seen by you all season, and it is pretty hard to take seriously when a fly-by-night poster such as yourself drops in and scolds all of us who have been here since day one.

That being said, if you are that sensitive to a little caustic humor than maybe this is not the place for you to be.

BTW you aren't a relative of Elissa's are you? If so I hope that you do not bear a similar "duckface" resemblance.

I've been coming to Morty's for years and although I currently don't post as much as you do, I have as much right to be here as you do...

It's not about sensitivity on my part, it's about the immaturity of posts that focus upon the physical elements of others rather than anything related to BB game-play.... It's about growing up. Your decision to add that picture to your response is exactly the kind of mean-spirited childish behavior that I am talking about.

Did I mention people whose self image is obviously so fragile & contorted that they need to demean other people's appearance in order to make themselves feel better about their life? Again, childish and completely unnecessary behavior.

Any time these people are confronted, they consistently tell us that Morty says they can act like brats, so leave them alone.... Have any of you ever noticed that bullies rarely have the ability to take what the dish?

Do any of you believe that these posters could withstand the onslaught of negativity that they themselves spew about others?

How does any of this nastiness that they spew make this a fun forum for the rest to visit and read?

Morty said we can criticize the HG. They are fair game! And especially on there game play. We just can't attack each other!

Everyone has a right to their opinion, however If their opinion is not like mine then they're wrong!

I'm not talking about criticizing the HGs about their game-play... Without a doubt their social game is fair game for discussion... Their physical play is certainly fair game for discussion.... Getting to know something about their lives is fine, but making fun of a person's physical being is sick.

I'm talking about criticizing them about their personal physical features... Duckface.... really? How is that anything but miserably mean spirited adults behaving like nasty little children? And why is it that it is always the same posters, year after year, that post attacks based upon a players looks, race, age, education, etc...? Tiresome....

The vast majority of posters here never spew this sort of nonsense and that's what makes this board a place that I come to every year in hopes that the mature adults here will drown out the childish & mean-spirited nonsense generated by the few.

BTW, sparklet, I've enjoyed your posts this year...

Monk

Every year I come to this forum and end up leaving early once the middle-schoolers flood this board with their adolescent personal attacks on the HGs. Criticize game play... fine.... Criticize personal attributes of others... childish....

This nonsense comes from a select few, but a select few that are prolific posters determined to make this board unreadable and thoroughly boring....

A lot of the other players in the mean group (Jeremy and Aaryn immediately come to mind)/'., say they don't like Elissa b/c she starts trouble and b/c she talks bad about others and what not. I do not have the live feeds, so it's hard for me to know for sure. However, in reading the live feed updates, I have not read any examples of her bashing others or being mean or whatever. Does anyone know of any examples where she was acting in the manner she has been accused of?

I do watch the feeds when I can and on the few occasions that she set out to be tough on other HGs her attempts were pretty clumsy and feeble... "Talking bad" about others doesn't appear to come naturally to her and her pot stirring is pretty awkward and ineffective.

All in all, I haven't seen my ability to play this game but I'm willing to be surprised by her. Her sister could put the MVP to good use... Elissa, well, not so much.

My support of her has more to do with the actions and attitudes of Jeremy, Aaryn, Kailyn, GM and to some extent Spencer. I don't see her making the jury even with a better cast, but I would love to see her get there just to watch the outrage it would generate in the mean team.

I vote for her mostly in order to watch Aaryn's head spin round and round... I expect that if Elissa could miraculously find a way to stay, Aaryn would start spewing pea soup in between her snotty comments. Well, a guy can dream....

If she cultivated friendships, she would lose the MC backing because then she would seem strong. there is no win for her and she knows it. She is playing the best game she can. I also want her to stay and if Nick goes that would help undo the MC and give her some breathing room to make alliances.

I assess this first few weeks just as you do. From the moment the mean team set their nasty sights on her, Elissa could do little to advance herself other than find one or two allies, lay low and wait it out. If Nick leaves(which appears to be highly unlikely) a restructuring of alliances could happen... Then the game might be able to take on a more strategic tone in place of the crude & low brow blunt force tone it has had thus far. So far, Elissa hasn't played much of a game and I'm not very hopeful that she even has a game, but we'll never find out if the mean team bullys their way through this summer.

I'd be fine if Elissa left after Jeremy, Aaryn, & Kaitlyn were booted... At least their would be some satisfaction to be had in their BB demise.

It's been a pretty disappointing season so far. The central theme has been little more than bullies, racists, & cowards. Dr. Will wasn't a favorite of mine but his game was eminently more interesting to watch than this bread & circus. All most of this cast can do is berate each other. Dull...

It’s a dark and stormy night in BBville…

The only rational short description of BB14 is: “Absolutely effing dreadful.”

The only description that fully addresses the woeful entertainment value of this season is: “Hideously horribly grotesquely disastrously awfully terrible. “

The production leaders of this putrid spectacle should be quick marched into the Pacific at daybreak, drowned and then shot.

And then poisoned.

And then force feed processed foods in order to raise their sodium, cholesterol and hormone levels to ridiculously levels.

And then required to ride unicycles down the center-lane of the 5 for its entire length.

And then stabbed.

And then dragged back onto the beach to be set on fire(using non-polluting smokeless logs, of course, while under the watchful eye of the EPA & the local Fire Marshall).

And then tied to a large chunk of granite and dropped back into the ocean.

And then someone should stand watch on shore, as each & every BB season comes around, to make sure these creatively deficient denizens of the deepest, dark dank, most foul of the recesses of the bowels of the BB production company never resurface.

This whole show hasn’t even been as interesting as a grease fire.

In short, this season BB has sucked monkey n*ts.

Felonious “Bulwer Litton” Monk

Joe is a boring dirtbag.

Willie was a immature weasel but at least he was an entertaining immature weasel...

JoJo's only attribute is her mastery of the art of irritation... She's not bad in a bikini but watching her is not losing my either my sanity or my hearing...

The rest are about as entertaining as watching mayonnaise go bad...

I'll check this board tomorrow to find out who was evicted...

Monk

I'm Shocked...

Willie screwing up??? Hmmmm, never saw that coming....

At least we can look forward to more of his interesting "family honor" excuses... They might give us a good chuckle ...

Monk

For what is worth here's my 2 cents.

Willie was nothing more than a firecracker waiting to go off. It was just a matter of time before somebody lit his fuse and Joe seemed to do just that. Last time I checked BB rules it was prefectly OK to try and light someones fuse. (see Evil Dick) Joe saw a weakness in Willie and did the house a favor and lit his fuse. Willie could have responded in many different ways but chose to explode and get booted from the game, something he said he wanted anyway.

As much as I wanted Willie to stay in the game and keep the pot stirred he and he alone caused his demise. I do not blame Joe at all.

Amen...

Monk

It's a yet another sad day in BBland when the casting director selects a cast where the only interesting player has a paranoid personality and a complete lack of coping skills.

Without Willie, this season has become incredibly BORING!

I have never made it to the finale show on Morty's because I lose interest as the trolls and nutcases jump in as the season comes to a close... This season I may not make to the half way point because I'm just so bored by the remaining players...

Monk

This highlights the problem I have with this season...

I don't care for Jojo... I don't care for Joe, Wil, or Frank...

Shane, Ashley, Ian, Jenn and Danielle are pleasant enough but they also make for very boring TV...

For me, Willie made the season... Too bad he couldn't control his anger & paranoia... I'd be fine with Jojo going home...

Monk

Actually WIllie didnt call joe the c word..He made a blanket statement saying bunch of C's in this house (not sure if that the EXACT wording however he didnt specifically call Joe that word)...Wille did go running after Joe, however he stopped a good 2 feet infront of Joe, Joe continued to keep his fist up and in a fighting stance. That is when Willie said hit me blah blah. Then if you watch it was not Willie who backed Joe up proceeding with a chest bump, it was JOE who made that chest bump. and that is when he got a head but to the head. With all that said I dont condone Willies behavior nor do I feel he shouldnt have been expelled from the game. However Joe is just as much at fault in the situation as Willie was. He sought out to have a confrontation with WIllie. (You can see his premeditation by his actions in the HOH just before their fight when he is jumping around like a 5yr old getting all excited about Willie being "about to blow" He made the choice just as much as WIllie did to go down stairs and get involved. Most adults with any amount of common sense and integrity would have given Willie time to cool off and just leave him alone. However Joe chose the dirty low road (yet again)...Ive watch the fight portion of the show several times and it is clear to me they were both to blame in equal parts and that when you get down to it, words are just words, until you touch someone in a threatening way. Which I clearly see Joe doing first. My opinion would be completely different had Willie not stopped 2 feet away from Joe allowing Joe time to pause and think about what he was doing. He CHOSE to continue the physical threatening. IMO Willie had every right to defend himself. The actions of all of these so called adults is appauling to me. It reminds me of the mob mentality in which Jr high school kids would use. Its one thing to ":play the game" and another to just forget basic human kindness and treat another human being in such a disgusting embarrasing way. It wasnt enough for Joe to completely defame Willie and ruin his game with his made up BC he had to continue to rub salt in the wounds and rub it in Willies face every chance he got along with the other HGs..In my world this just isnt how you treat people. Game or no game.

As is true in all of life, people see the same event differently...

First, I think Joe is a dirtbag and I would be happy to see him go... BUT...

As I saw & heard it, Willie was sitting at the dining table calling the HGs the C-word and more... When Joe walked by, heading to the head, Willie called Joe the C-word... Joe responded in kind..

Willie did charge Joe in a very aggressive style... Joe responded by taking a defensive posture... Joe was the initiator of none of this... Willie was...

The way I saw it, once in the head, it was Willie that moved in on Joe and not the other way around... Joe was cornered and has a right to stand his ground, protect himself, and not be bullied by a screaming & obviously out of control Willie... It's his house too...

Joe, in response to Willie's charge, chest bumping, & headbutting, behaved like an adult and did not escalate the altercation... He was cornered and he did nothing but protect himself... I still don't like Joe, but he behaved like any rational person would...

He did not start this.. Willie did... He did not charge at anybody... Willie did...

Cornered in the head by Willie, Joe did nothing more than stand his ground & take a defensive stance... Had Joe thrown a punch, he would have been wrong... But Joe did NOT throw a punch... The only one to be physically violent was Willie when he chest-bumped and headbutted Joe...

It's hard to understand your "Willie had every right to defend himself" statement.. So, I can't respond to it...

I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree...

Monk

I am a Dixie Darling who has pretty much traveled the world. I can tell you that the good old boy network is not endemic to the southern states of the United States. I've seen its face on the Ile St-Louis and in the narrow streets of Skopje.

I know not of the Hantz family other than that face portrayed on television. Far be it from me to denigrate an entire family due to the actions of a few members.

Free Willie. Probably not.

That, and a glad hello to one of my fave posters, Felonious Monk.

Thanks SC... Right back at cha...

Your post has me thinking about my Hantz family statement...

You're right... You said it best in your post... I should not have said what I said about the Hantz family due to the actions of a few family members...

I fell into that statement of mine because I let the fact that the only family members I have seen were the four family members that have expressed this cockeyed outlook on civil behavioral standards.

Thanks... I need a good straightening out once in a while...

Monk

Some people melt down in environments like Big Brother. Like Willie.

I agree... I also agree with those on this board that have pointed a finger at the BB production... AG should have seen this coming, given Willie's background and the Hantz family's outlook on life... AG would be better served to look to the early BB's for HG selection criteria...

Willie did make things interesting... but IMHO, he wasn't suited for this show... (paranoia, followed by bizarre game moves, followed by paranoia, followed by all too public and outrageous verbal fights, followed by paranoia, followed by sulking, followed by threats of physical violence, followed by paranoia, followed by contact... Not good...)

Monk

First off, I just want to say that a "good ol' boy" background is not a southern thing to me, but a mentality within a family or social group (believe me, that relates right her in Santa Barbara, California). The Hantz family would stick together like flies on horse poop if one of their own murdered someone in front of 100 witnesses.

Willie has an admitted violent history which he related to the house. Watching the tape Brandon, Russel and Brandon's dad made, they don't see anything wrong with the way Willie behaved. To Willie, Joe putting his arms in front of him to protect himself was "putting up his dukes". Seriously, what would you do when a guy is in your face yelling "hit me, hit me"?

Willie says he's not a violent person but he admittedly broke into an ex's house and beat the snot out of her boyfriend. Apology after the fact of a violent act does not make it any less of a violent act.

Unfortunately, I see more violence from Willie (and prob his family) down the road, ie: beating someone (probably several someone's) who say anything to him/them about getting kicked out of Big Brother or his behavior.

Personally, I think CBS better cut their loses and let the Hantz' fade into the background. I do not think putting Willie (or any other Hantz) on another reality show at this point would be wise.

I'm in total agreement with you...

The Hantz's seem to express themselves in violence... Adding insult to injury, they then appear to be comfortable justifying their violent behavior...

Not a recipe for a peaceful environment...

Monk

Joe should have had something happen to him even if it meant a penalty nomination but he got away scott free! He did instigate the situation with Willie and he definitely exaggerated the entire thing with Willie's hat hitting his nose ... obviously if you read Mike's comments on the Morty's main page according to Mike he headbutted Joe 4 times? ...

I'm not suggesting what I think they did was wrong but I don't agree with Joe getting a free pass in the confrontation that he instigated.

I guess we saw the events differently...

I saw & heard Willie in an explosive mood in the kitchen :::

1. As Joe walked by, heading for the head, Willie called Joe the C-word... (BTW Joe is a person I don't like and would like to see sent packing from the BB house very soon...)
   
2. Joe RESPONDED to Willie with words of his own...
   
3. Willie RESPONDED to Joe's words by charging Joe and screaming like a madman, Hit Me!!! Hit Me!!! Hit Me!!! ...
   
4. Joe RESPONDED to Willie's charge by putting up his fists up & taking a defensive posture, Joe stood his ground, Joe NEVER hit Willie...
   
5. Willie RESPONDED by chest bumping Joe and then Headbutting Joe...
   
6. Willie is told to go to the back bedroom
   
7. Willie is removed from the BB house... (As he should have been... except for self defense and the protection of others from imminent danger, there is NO excuse for violent behavior)
   

Willie should be punished with banishment..

IMHO, Joe is a dirtbag but did not do anything wrong in this interaction...

As they say, ten people see the same event in eleven different ways...

Monk

Just because you have the ability to look something up on websters, does NOT make you qualified to pass such a judgement...

How about if we agree to keep this about the players and not the posters...

Monk