FeloniousMonk

Amanda to Candice during the veto competition:

“That’s the Shaniqua coming out of you, I guess!”

“Am I racist now? I’m racist now.

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On the 24-hour Internet feed of the house, Amanda Zuckerman, who's white, mocked the accent of a Korean woman and referred to "Puerto Rican showers," leading to a debate about whether she's racist.

"I'm just joking," said Zuckerman, a 28-year-old real estate agent from Boynton Beach, Fla. "I've had sex with Puerto Rican guys before."

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But wait, there's more:

"She wore my f---in' head band and didn't ask," Zuckerman said about African American housemate Candice Stewart. "She took it off your f---in' head and put it on her greasy-ass, nappy-hair head."

In another instance, Zuckerman referred to African American contestant Howard Overby as "the black mamba" and "the dark knight." She also referred to herself as a "f** hag" and used the term "retarded" on multiple occasions.

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Also, Amanda has made a lot of anti-gay remarks, mocking Andy as a f**, fairy and queer boy (no wait, that was Aryan.) Amanda wanted to slit Elissa's throat and wanted to pass her lifeless body around to all the men in the house to engage in necrophilia. She also wanted all the men in the house to gang rape Jessie. The examples above were just from Amanda. There are plenty of other examples from Vagina Marie and Aryan Nation.

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This is the worst cast in the worst season of Big Brother and it has brought out the worst comments in some of the posters here.

The ethnic slurs, gay slurs, & racist comments have been commented on at length on this forum... And will likely continue be commented upon even past the season's end. But to repeatedly harangue this board about the vile racist, ethnic and gay hate speech to the near exclusion of all else BB is absurd. It is also just another form of bullying and is vile in it's own way. Passion is great but zealotry is ultimately harmful.

There ARE other BB issues to be discussed which can and should be discussed without a constant drumbeat of racial activism. If you would like a thread on the topic of race in the BB house, feel free to start one... but it is now approaching the point where a discussion of a butterfly in the BB BY causes some to get up on their soapbox and rant away at all of us little unenlightened people about racial insensitivity... There are racial issues that have been discussed and should be discussed in the weeks ahead, but how about a little more balance and a little less grandstanding.

Monk

She is lying better than most right now. Amanda and McCrea do not believe her and I am not sure anyone else does either. I want her gone I do not want to see this person walk away with any prize money.

She's doing a lot more than just lying better... she's creating little cracks in various sub-alliances... she's setting up conversations that allow the person she's speaking with to believe they are realizing something dangerous about one of their own alliance members...

Monk

Aaryn really is the quintessential mean girl, but the truth is... currently she is also playing better than the rest of these dolts.

I can hardly believe that just posted something nice about her...

Monk

I'd be happy to see Candice exit next, then Amanda who is then followed out the door by Helen...

Monk

it probably wouldnt have made a difference. helen's head is so far up demanda's butt that whether he came clean or not, she'd have kept holding it against.

remember, that is the MO of the sheep patrol. villify anyone else for anything they can to try and legitimize they are the good people doing the right thing.

Who knows what may happened had Howard engaged.... But one thing is certain... by failing to engage, he doomed himself to certain failure...

It's such a shame that he tucked himself away with Candice, because with each passing minute in comfy seclusion his chances of staying diminished... and with him went my last real chance at rooting for a favorite HG to win this thing...

Monk

All the 'analytical,social,and game skills mean zero to people who have you pegged already and are not trying to hear it.Since being caught in the lie(which he did out of loyalty to the MC,McCrae,Jeremy and Spencer with his changed vote, quickly sold that loyalty down the river)Helen and Amanda had made him house enemy number one. So with Helen, Amanda and Mc all against him, who was he left to try to appeal to? The Racists?Jeremy sold him out and went to Kaitlin,Mc to Amanda,and Judd was never going to have his back.So he does he have left?

My point was that he didn't even really try to develop a social game with Helen, Andy, Judd, Jessie, or McManda... When he most needed to engage... he withdrew and focused on Candice...

He could have done as our nasty little HG Aaryn is doing now... Make nice and be friendly with the current power people.

He could have worked on a relationship with Andy, Judd, Jessie, Elissa and Helen... none of them had said a single racist thing... so his only choices were NOT limited to Aaryn, GM, & Kaitlin...

Ah, the lie... One can make excuses for his serious mistake of lying to Helen when it was obvious that Helen knew about the MC when she listed it's members to him while she & he were talking in the HOH bathroom... How stupid could he have possibly be to lie in the face of the knowledge that the person he's talking to has just proven that she knows the truth... Keep in mind this was a serious and completely unnecessary problem that he created for himself and did absolutely nothing to repair... A little socializing can do wonders in this house... season after season has shown that to be true.

Even after his insanely stupid lie to Helen, if he had done as Aaryn has done when she found herself in deep deep trouble, he may still be here... Taking one shot at redemption with the crew in power by telling them that he wants to be their 'Jeremy" is a great first step but it must be followed with more good steps... and he did squat to follow up...

Nasty little HG Aaryn has made nice, laid low, and worked on building trust .....I can't tell you how much I'd like to see her evicted but she is making the moves that Howard should have be making... And because she has... she stays(for now)... and because he didn't... he's gone....

Monk

Calling Jessie a slut when she(Amanda) is standing in the backyard in her undies while cheating on her boyfriend with McCrea on national TV/internet is rich....

And what's up with Helen's little rant? Not an exact quote but close:: "I've never been anything but nice to her... I've never lied to her..." Oh really??????

Monk

Among other things, Amanda is a volatile mix of paranoia, bluntness, and aggression... Not a good combination..

Monk

I don't know what to say about GinaMarie except that she lives in some galaxy far removed from reality.

I agree.. she does live in her own little world... but as much as I think of her as a loon, I think of her as a essentially sad person struggling to find her way to a happy life. From what little I've seen so far, I don't think the odds of her finding that happy life are in her favor. Her best friends appear to be delusion and her mouth.

Sadly, she seems very lost to me. I believe her bravado is part contrived and part cultural, but in reality, not much more than a shield. I also believe that she is not a racist but a fragile person desperately seeking to feel equal to others by leveling the field with her comments. To my way of thinking, she's using her somewhat meager intellectual skills to their maximum. In other words, she's doing the best she can with what she has to work with.

Do I still believe she needs some of the pushback that is coming her way.... Yes, and it's gonna hit her hard... She'll need her family and friends close by...

Monk

Yeah, it's no different here it seems with some. But, I've blocked them. Anyway, all of them in that house that have made excuses for that racist's comments and made similar racist comments are just as bad as her and one day, Karma will visit and it won't be nice.

Yes, so let's just censor everyone so that everyone is comfortable. I think the fact that BB is displaying the ugliness going on inside that house, provides an opportunity for open dialogue. But, too many people don't feel comfortable talking about it, so it gets ugly because people get bullied, censored, ignored, invalidated or called a racist themselves for merely calling it out and making comments about it. It doesn't have to devolve into a ugly mud-pit. All of us can discuss and ask questions about racial things that come up in the house and be civil. Or just let people vent about it without trying to control everyone and be the speech police.

It's not censorship, it's called mature self control.

You clearly have the ability to get your point across without taking snarky potshots at those who hold to a different political belief system. The self-righteousness is choking...

When you've mentioned characters on the right and conservative media like Fox in the disparaging way that you have, you are injecting your own brand of self-righteous bias into what is just a BB fan forum. It's as if you believe that you have a pipeline to the best answers to our common problems and anyone that disagrees with you is just a hateful bigot... that's just a tad bit self inflating and more than a tad bit arrogant.. don'tcha think????

What you've already posted is insulting to those who believe differently... So far the conservatives on this board have refrained from commenting on the effect they believe Pres O and the progressives have had on the sense of entitlement that Candice so obviously embraces. Is that the discussion you want to have here? Well, it's not the discussion I want. I'm here to read about and post about BB 15.

Luckily, they've held their tongue thus far but.... before long they WILL begin pushing back with their own politically biased comments. None of which will add a thing to this BB discussion. And given that you haven't been able to control yourself when unchallenged, it's highly unlikely that you will be able to refrain from responding in kind to their disparaging comments about the personalities and media that you hold dear.. and we're off to the ugly races.

The frustrating thing about your position is that nothing you've posted about conservatives and their media outlets has added any value whatsoever to your messages.. in fact, you've just obscured the essence of what you have to say with this snark. It's hard to fathom is why you need to get up on your political soapbox when the rest of your message is well thought out and insightful. It's also obvious that you could ever so easily get your message across without insulting the conservatives. So why do it?

I get that you feel superior to others in your politics.. One of our shared problems is that far too many of us feel exactly as you do but from a myriad of different perspectives... You obviously believe that you have a lock on the truths of our society and that those that are on the right are bigots and hateful... Well, the issue is that those on the opposite side are just as self-righteous in their equally ridiculously elevated understanding of the meaning of truth and they believe that you are the one doing damage to us all. And all the while we get nowhere... we just bicker because we each are so much smarter and so much more right on the issues than the other guy. What a terrible and useless mess you seek to create.

So I ask you again... please reconsider your posting habits.

Monk

Are you a moderator? If not, people can post what they are feeling as long as it pertains to the posting rules.

Marty ALSO has a right to post what she wants to post and she posted that she would rather this forum stick to BB and remain a political free zone. I agree with her.

I'd hate to see this place devolve into a nasty hellhole like so many other web forums have. Please, let's stop this garbage before two self-righteous sides form up and turn this place into an ugly mud-pit.

Monk

Is there even one HG that is worthy of fan support this season?

Monk

I love your posts, Felonious Monk.

Right back atcha, Slim...

Monk

Don't say your good-bye's quite yet! I'm listening to the talk between Howard, Candice and Jessie from during the night. There is a chance that Amanda will be going tonight, not your Howard!

As down on Howard's game as I am, I'd much prefer Amanda be evicted this week...

She's a good strategist and can be entertaining but she's too abrasive and far too much of a bully in the house. Howard has no game and is no real threat... His is a loose cannon in terms of predictability and logic for the others to take a chance on bringing him to jury but the current biggest threat is McManda. I hope she's evicted but Howard is a good second choice.

Monk

What a disgusting display.

The demographics of this show are so lopsided that it's not even funny.

This season they started knocking off the Alpha-males from the start while the gay, fat, effeminate and whipped males hid behind the Alpha females skirts like mammas-boys.

A muscular dark-skinned male in a house by himself with a bunch of cowardly bigots who Pillow-talk about his penis and view him as some insidious threat despite him never winning a single competition or having an alliance in the game? See ya!

What a bunch of gutless and nutless males they cast this season, Howard never had a chance once Nick and Jermey got evicted, the estrogen levels in that house are too high for any man except Andy to be able to thrive and survive.

Demographics have nothing to do with Howard's insanely poor game skills and it is those poor game skills that have him where he is today. I had hoped for better from him... but he's failed himself with his poor analytical skills, poor strategy skills, poor communication skills, poor social skills, and surprisingly poor physical game play. He just not built for games of logic, strategy, social acuity & communication.

As I said in my earlier post, he was my early season favorite, but he gave me nothing to hang onto after watching him. His game is sit back and do nothing(floater) or to spend so little time and effort coming up with strategy and tactics as to be a bystander. And then unfortunately when in the rare case when he does strategize, he come up some hair-brained scheme doomed to fail like voting against the house and blaming the vote on Jessie. The rest of his time he has been nearly completely disengaged from the game only rarely interrupted when he spouts one of his nonsensical rants filled with contorted metaphors and self-righteous innuendo. If any label fits Howard, it's "Failed Floater."

Howard is no a "man" in the sense that you are using the term. His is a quitter and self-righteous jerk. He has NOT been loyal; he's tossed ALL of his allies(Jeremy, Spencer, and Candice) under the bus and used his religion as a game weapon. All of that is perfectly OK in this game but in the face of all of his poor game-play, to claim he is a man of integrity and loyalty is nonsense.

I also disagree with your position that unless a HG is an alpha male or alpha female, that HG should just back off their game using their personal skills & strategy and make way for the Alphas. BTW, there's an ironic bigotry in your "gay, fat, effeminate and whipped males" comment. That sounds very much like something Aaryn would say.

Howard's lone good move was his wonderful defense and support of Candice during and after the bed flipping incident. As good as that was, it is not enough to win BB and even that was diminished when he laughed at Candice's "white ass Honky" comments. How was that any better than Kaitlins & GM's behavior laughing at Aaryn's equally offensive "Shaniqua" comments?

Monk

When this season began, Howard & Candice were my favorites. But as the weeks wore on, Howard's appallingly inept social play, surprisingly bad physical play, ridiculously poor logical skills and penchant for speaking in partial sentences and contorted metaphors just wore me out...

But then... His behavior the night of the bed flipping incident brought me back into his camp. It seems odd to me to be proud of a person on a reality tv show... a person that I've never met and will never meet... would make me proud for him... but he did. He was a beacon of maturity and balance in a storm of mean-spirited childishness. Although I had no real right to be proud, I was... I was very proud of him.

Unfortunately, in the days that followed his very warm & gently strong protection of Candace he reverted back into the same old Howard... No social game to speak of... No physical game at all... His nearly nonexistent communications skills... No one really understands a thing he says although apparently he believes his words are deeply insightful and eminently logical... If he'd finish a sentence and drop the twisted metaphors maybe we might find an insightful and interesting thought of his... but so far... no such luck...

His complete failure to get into the game in any real way is a mystery to me. Annoyingly, as he takes a posture of superiority in moral character by way of his repeated nonsense about his refusal to stoop to the necessary level of game play in order to win $500,000, he alienates is best ally, convinces his foes of his need to exit and confounds those watching this fiasco... I ask myself.. How could I have been so wrong about this guy in the beginning of the season?

I do give him credit for listening to Candice... she's an insanely pedantic brat convinced of her victim-hood and fiercely protective of her sense of entitlement. Aaryn's cruel attacks on her, gave her all she needed to spin up her woe-is-me machine and be the wonderful victim she incessantly tells Howard that she is... Howard should run from this loon as fast and far-away as he can. He really should be campaigning for her to be evicted... I'm praying for a double eviction or a fast forward... they both need to go... and go very very soon.

Unlike most seasons, this season has been one where I haven't been able to find a favorite that I could stick with, but that also highlights one of the reasons that I have followed BB for all these years... my first impressions and personal biases fall away as I learn who these people really are... Case in point... Howard and Candice were my preseason favorites and now I look forward to their evictions.

Monk

Production does not want anyone to believe the article that Amanda is Grodner's selected-to-win this year so they are going to cut away immediately. It's really pretty ridiculous because Grodner has creative license to do just about anything she wants because it's not a "game show" so it's just thumbing nose at fans by Grodner

6,

You know that I like the spice you add to this forum... but... I've just gotta ask... did Grodner steal your lunch money, pull your pigtails, sugar your gas tank, make you eat worms, force you to listen to rap for hours, run over your cat, or what?

Monk

Lol...you and me both (about working in a strip club first).

I'd bet she went on the show because Rachel and Brendon talked her into it, along with production. Rachel wants to keep a foot in the reality star door. She can't let go of her 15 minutes and she'll settle for a little continued fame thru her sis. In her weird mind, it's probably better than nothing. Personally, I think Elissa is way smarter about this game than Rachel ever was.

If you & Slim are even 1/10th as attractive as your personalities are, I'd gather up my cash and put the pedal to the metal to get to that club.

Monk

Thanks Monk...I am truly honored! I'm going to ask Morty if I can be amended to LFU/Conspiracy Nut Theorist...no need to cross out anything but I appreciate the sensitivity... LOL!

While you're speaking with Morty, you might ask him to title me "That annoyingly controlling ol' fart who has grand delusionals that he is on a quest from God to smite mean spirited anti-positive posters"...

On another topic.... I have had two Border Collies(Basker & Otto) in the past and now have two yellow Labs... (Lefty & Luke)...

Monk

Soooo glad she is on the block

It's good to connect up with you again, ejs... I trust that life has treated you well this past year...

Monk

Monk if you ponder it long enough you'll see it makes sense!

Profiling Alison Grodner is really not so difficult because she does not care that what we think!

BB is like a "cold case"...eventually it gets solved.

I'm in my sixties..., I'm not so sure I have that much time left in my life... But, for the time being, I'm just not ready to join you in the tinfoil cap fitting room.. Maybe someday, some of my ancestors were pretty loopy... so loopiness may loom large in my future...

The way I see it, you're our resident conspiracy nut theorist and given that I like boards that have a wide variety of perspectives, I think we are lucky to have you...

BTW, I also admire you for your Border collie work... I've had dogs my entire life and without them, my life would have been poorer...

Monk

Personally, I think this is all BS and Grodner put Elissa up as the 3rd nom and told her no way she was going home (or else told her they would revolve or Pandora her right back in just in case DR can't sway the other HG's to keep her or looks like Aaryn is going to stay). Either way, I am convinced Elissa is in on it. After DR she was calm and she's had the "cat swallowed the canary" expression ever since. She was not even convincing after the POV pick/3rd nom announcements today. I caught her with the same smile several times.

Grodner needed a red-herring to get everyone off the "Elissa is MVP for BB15 life & this is so boring and predictable" thing (because both HG's and non-Brenchel camp know what is going on and are p/o'd about it) and make the Elissa non-supporters think they finally won a round. I can just about guarantee you Elissa is safe and she KNOWS she is safe.

The only way Elissa would be voted off is if the HG's flip at the last minute and Grodner can't do anything about it (like Janelle's eviction), and then Grodner will bring Elissa right back into the game (probably an "America vote")

Sooooo, if the MVP is used by Elissa, it's a Grodner manipulation.... and if it's used against Elissa, it's a Grodner manipulation.... Hmmmmm..... I guess I'll just have to ponder that for awhile...

Monk

I'm fine with her getting the MVP three times but enough is enough and now I'd like for it to be spread around now... the problem with giving it to someone else is that I can't think of anyone on the show that I'd like to vote for to have the power... so, although completely unofficial.... I'm voting for Marty.

Monk

She can be funny...

I think she may be the best strategist in the house, and I have enjoyed watching her stand up to the mean team but there have been times when she has also been such a blunt instrument that watching her feels like being whacked in the head with a brick.

Monk

Yeah, they must be dying to give him an HOH win and have him triumph over the forces of Aaryn (I mean... Evil). How much you want a bet that the next HOH competition is bench pressing?

GSL,

I don't remember if you watch the feeds ore not but for anyone that does, but it was compelling tv to watch Howard "rescue" Candace from the mean girls...

And then for him to use such a rational and thoroughly heartfelt argument to talk her into giving up her bed... to see him cry while pleading with his God to help him deal with that racial torrent that came from the mean girls... well, that sealed Howard as a BB hero in the eyes of the producers and in my eyes as well... BB will certainly push some buttons and twist some knobs to help him stay...

Howard was one of early favorites but after watching his game play... no so much... his approach to dealing with mean team... great.... his game... no so great... at this point, I don't have a favorite...

Monk

You're very insulting!

Now, that's rich...

Monk