linda60639

Very well said!

I want Steve and Vanessa F2. I am really curious to see those jury votes.

I want Vanessa to win, I think she deserves it. But, I think Steve will win because of bitter jurors. However, if Steve is able to evict Vanessa, he would deserve a standing ovation, IMO.

I absolutely agree! It would be hilarious. And after the initial shock, Vanessa would be in control of her emotions. There would be no threats or accusations, she has too much class for that, but I would bet anything that Vanessa would give Liz her vote instead of her protege.

Was there ever any doubt? Now we will see if sneaky Steve can win final HOH and if he has the balls to evict Vanessa like said he would. Finally, this game is getting exciting!

snarkie, no disrespect intended, but I have to stick up for James. Sure, he wanted to avenge Jason, but he also wanted to take out a big target. He said this many times. And since Clelli was one of the biggest targets in the house, he thought that he could kill two birds with one stone. When Clay was evicted, Shelli was out for blood. James had to choose to evict Shelli over Vanessa because Shelli had already let him know that she was coming for him. His plan to get Shelli out was not so much for vengeance, but for self- preservation.

What many people fail to realize is that this entire game is set up where poor sportsmanship is encouraged and rewarded. But, apparently, that is what most people love about this game. Whether it is the BotB where players throw competitions and sabotage other players, or players lie, deceive and backstab other players, or a large group of player gang up on one player or a smaller group of players, no one seems to be able to win this game based on his or her own merits. I don't know when was the last time a winner claimed victory based solely on their own physical and/or mental prowess and integrity. So, in my opinion, competitions like the Double HOH and BotB are just the nature of the beast.

I agree, the same thing happened to me. I am still trying to vote but get the "reached my limit" response. I hope that they fix it soon!

Someone said that Vanessa may have been recruited because she may be in line to host an upcoming show on CBS. It may be some truth to that because Vanessa does have the appropriate experience. Check out this clip from the Bank of Hollywood where Vanessa is a guest host. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHU5rr9eUYU

I would have loved to see the unedited version, dang, I feel cheated, LOL.

It would depend on who won final HOH. If Steve wins, Vanessa is out! If Vanessa wins, Liz is out! Austin would vote for Steve over Vanessa, After all, she betrayed both Liz and Austin and had a hand in Steve breaking up the twins. Even though Austin respects Vanessa's game, it would be hard not to be bitter. Hopefully, he will do what is right!

I could not agree with you more, joystiick. I don't understand how people can talk about Vanessa's lack of a good social game. By social game do they mean the ability to make close friends in the house? Other than the showmances, no one else have pledged to be lifelong friends with anyone this season. And even if they did, can we believe it? This happens all the time in the BB house, but after a few years, most BB friendships and showmances tend to die. Aren't you playing a good social game if you can convince others to do your bidding? Vanessa does not hold a gun over anyone's head. She convinces people that it is in their best interest to do certain things. They must have been in agreement because they did what she suggested. Does anyone in the house love her like a sister? I don't know, but is all the hugging and crying fake? Or does Shelli and the twins really like Vanessa? Can anyone say for sure? Is Vanessa really disliked more than Steve? He doesn't seem to have made a lot of friends this season. Other than Austin, Liz hasn't made a lot of friends, either. Are their social games really better than Vanessa's? Vanessa has been able to convince the HG's to keep her safe. She has only been on the block twice, while Liz has been there 3 times and Steve 4. Vanessa leads Steve and Liz in competition wins. And neither could hold a candle to Vanessa's power of persuasion when it comes to determining who goes up and who goes out. This game's winner, in my estimation, should not be determined by how many friends one has made in the house. The winner should be determined by how well one played the game. This means to me: 1- how well one was able to avoid nomination 2- how well one was able to win competitions 3- how well one was able to convince or persuade others to vote the way one wants Because the main object of this game is to win. And in order to do so, one must do whatever it takes to stay in the house while following the rules. The last two remaining in the house should be judged on how well they met the above criteria. The one that did all three the BEST deserves to win, IMO. It is a bitter juror who ignores the above and chooses not to vote for someone simply because that person pissed them off in some way. Unfortunately, that is common in this game. But that does not make it right.

I was referring to JMac when I said hopefully she get rid of him. She won't get rid of Steve, she needs him to win, IMO.

LMAO! HG's are not allowed to talk but we can rip production a new one, LOL. I firmly believe that the production staff favors certain HG's and set up competitions that give those they like certain advantages. I also firmly believe the production staff give certain HG's "suggestions" on what they can do or how they can play this game. Still, all we can do, lacking proof of production's involvement, is react to the game as shown. And it is difficult to deny that Vanessa is kicking ass and taking names!

Hmmm, 100,000,000,000% equals 100 billion %, I think. But your point is well taken! Vanessa will NEVER get the Austwins vote, and here's why, LOL, the only way Liz can not be in F2 is because Vanessa evicted her. I believe that if Vanessa wins final HOH, her only chance to win is to take Steve. That would mean that she would have evicted Liz and Austin and betrayed them both, so they would never vote for her. If Steve wins final HOH, he will choose Liz. He has already said he could not beat Vanessa . If he evicts Vanessa, that big move would give him a guaranteed win, IMO. The other jurors would be delighted and he would get all votes except for the Austwins. And finally if Liz wins final HOH, she would probably pick Vanessa thinking that the jury hates Vanessa. Of course, then she would get Austin and Julia's vote. I don't know about the others in the jury, but she would give Vanessa a run for her money.

Hopefully, Vanessa picks Liz to stay and get rid of JMac. Then Liz is gonna have to step up her game a lot, if she hopes to win.

Yes, but you know if Steve campaigns for JMac, Vanessa will take it to mean that they have a F2 deal and that neither one would not take her. Steve told Vanessa last night that he never had a F2 deal with JMac but I don't think that she believes him. Hopefully, Vanessa gets rid of him just in case.

Don't think so!!! Julia can't stand Austin. She thinks he is smelly and ugly, LOL.

It would have been nice if Julie had mentioned that rule. It would have only taken a few seconds to say " in the event of a tie the one coming closest to the actual number without going over, will be the winner." That simple statement would have avoided a lot of confusion.

Nope, but I am not buying the little boy lost routine. I can't really feel sorry for Steve. I don't think those excerpts are an indication that he "threw" the competition. I think, instead, they indicate that he tried to win but maybe didn't try as hard as he could have. He is kicking himself for not trying harder because he feels that he could have won if he had exerted more effort. All the crying is just for show. It is his way of making his mother feel bad for him, so that she will be more forgiving. All the teddy hugging reminds his mother that he is still her baby and she won't be as angry with him in the event that he loses this game. He wanted to be the one to evict Vanessa, but if he couldn't then he had hoped that JMac would win the veto so that he could take out Vanessa for him. When Vanessa won, he realized that his big plan to evict her was blown, He feels really bad about that. He feels that he let his mother down. He sounds like he knows Vanessa will evict JMac. And he had hoped that JMac would stay. Now he is under extra stress to win the final HOH, because he is unsure if either Liz or Vanessa would take him to F2 if she wins. He realizes that even if Vanessa does take him to the F2, he has no argument that he could use to negate her myriad accomplishments. Even his "breaking up the twins" was outshined by Vanessa's "breaking up the showmance." He feels that he cannot beat her. He is not buying her "all the jury hates me" mantra. He believes the jury will appreciate her gamesmanship. This is my take on it, I could easily be wrong.

Incredible, the HG's did exactly what they were told and spilled all the beans. Scared to death, they would be put up on the block. No one ever even thought of saying "F--- you, Vanessa. I am not going to tell you anything!" She never ceases to amaze me. The girl has chutzpa, LOL, She has controlled or heavily influenced most of this game from start to finish and will probably win the final HOH. I predict that she will take Steve to F2, but lose to him because of an embittered jury. Once again, we will have a repeat of season 14. Steve(Ian) wins over Vanessa(Dan). And it will be a doggone dirty shame!

Yep, I wonder if Liz talked Austin out of that planned speech? I know he is soooo glad that she did. I, on the other had, am kinda pissed because I could have used that belly laugh when Vanessa said his name, LOL. I had to settle for the jaw drop because I never thought Vanessa would really do it. I don't know if JMac is out just yet. This is a very tough one to call. Liz's resume is slightly better than JMac's, so Vanessa might feel that she may be harder to beat.

My sentiments, exactly!

Okay guys, thanks a lot!

Was the BBAD episode shown last night footage from earlier Monday? I did not tune in until the last hour but I noticed that Steve was missing. No one seemed to mention his name or ask about him. We were just shown all the other HG's in bed. Was Steve in the DR the entire time? I was looking for a glance at the memory wall and the camera never showed it that last hour. Could it be that BB was trying to fool us into thinking that he was evicted? Or did I miss an earlier explanation of what was going on?