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1 minute ago, Roli said:

 

I think he picked up the pan after Jessica tried to escape outside.  I could be wrong.  

 

The thing is, he had decided he wasn't going to do that anymore, but changed his mind again after the outrageous bullying by Jessica and Cody.  I don't think it was unfair for him to take the gloves off after some of the things they said to him.  It's very personal to call someone a "fat ass".  Josh never got personal like that, as I remember.  Jessica has an ugly soul.  And Cody followed right along to protect "his woman".

You are right.  Cody and Jessica were very mean and it may have cost Jessica the chance to continue in the game.  But even though Josh wanted Elena out I don't think the sheep would have voted that way if Paul made it clear he wanted Jessica out.  Why oh why can't the HG see how Paul is running the show?

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2 minutes ago, Newby said:

You are right.  Cody and Jessica were very mean and it may have cost Jessica the chance to continue in the game.  But even though Josh wanted Elena out I don't think the sheep would have voted that way if Paul made it clear he wanted Jessica out.  Why oh why can't the HG see how Paul is running the show?

 

Of course who Josh wanted out didn't really matter.  It was out of his hands after the nominations were solidified.  

 

I still think getting Jessica out was the right move for that side of the house.  Mark and Elena would have run right back to the Cody/Jess side, and it's likely that Kevin and maybe Jason would be there too.  Depleting Cody/Jessica was the right thing to do for the Paul side of the house, IMO.  

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6 minutes ago, BBLover4ever said:

I don't blame Jess and Cody for saying ANYTHING to this moron! He has been relentless in his antics (of course being pushed by Paul every time), and he needs to learn to take what he dishes. I do believe he called Cody and Jess a few names during his rants.

 

He wasn't relentless.  He stopped his antics (until Jessica started that mean girl stuff with her ignorant remarks about his intelligence).  If Cody and Jessica had come out of their summer-sex-camp mode long enough to play the game, they would have seen that.  They lost the game for themselves.  They only have themselves, and each other, to blame.

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Just now, BBLover4ever said:

 

I'm not going to get drawn into a confrontation with you on this.  I think one way and you another. DONE!

 

LOL, yet you are so "sure of it".  :lol:

 

I'm not trying to draw you into a confrontation.  It's nice when someone can back up their words instead of just throwing out their assumptions.  

 

 

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1 hour ago, Roli said:

 

I'm going to guess you missed where Jessica instigated the last "circus act" with her attempts to paint Josh as stupid, and also her ridiculous spoon banging temper tantrum. 

 

The thing is, Josh is a college graduate.  Jessica is a college dropout who has decided that she should use her body to get ahead in life.  She was reportedly a well-known escort in Boston.  And if you haven't done so, take a look at her Instagram page (which she's probably deleting because she doesn't want Cody seeing it - her words).  

 

Jessica continually misused "big words" in her attempts to look intelligent, yet tried to stump Josh with her spelling quiz.  She just showed herself to look ignorant in the process.

 

Personally, I won't miss the sound of Jessica's voice and that ridiculous laugh.  As an escort, she probably "fake laughs" a lot.  As far as Josh's "persona", it's likely cultural.  People with open minds aren't irritated by cultural differences.  I find those differences interesting and entertaining.  

No I didn't miss the spoon banging and I thought finally someone is showing Josh how ridiculous he is with his pots and pans.  I'm guessing from all your posts you're a real Josh fan and a Jessica hater.  I'm not a fan of either and don't hate anyone in that house.  What I do hate is the way they are acting this season.  Josh's  college degree and/or his culture (and don't forget he owns a business and he's only 23 - sarcasm) doesn't give him license to act like an idiot and then run to his room to cry if someone dishes back at him.   

I don't care that Jessica is a college dropout or how she uses her body; that's her business and none of mine.  Yes I saw her Instagram page and she's not doing, showing or saying any more or less than what she did in the house.

Josh has been acting like a 5 year old since he stepped into the house and he's been relentless in his attacks on Jody whether personal or not.  He defends his actions by saying that Jess and Cody attacked him on a personal level.  So what?  Fair game in BB house so why should he get a free pass.  If I'd been harassed that way for weeks on end I just might have resorted to personal attacks too just to get him to shut up and using the pans as cymbals on his head. 

Personally, I won't miss hearing Jessica eating her fruit loops and kissing Cody every 5 seconds.  

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4 minutes ago, HeleneL said:

No I didn't miss the spoon banging and I thought finally someone is showing Josh how ridiculous he is with his pots and pans.  I'm guessing from all your posts you're a real Josh fan and a Jessica hater.  I'm not a fan of either and don't hate anyone in that house.  What I do hate is the way they are acting this season.  Josh's  college degree and/or his culture (and don't forget he owns a business and he's only 23 - sarcasm) doesn't give him license to act like an idiot and then run to his room to cry if someone dishes back at him.   

I don't care that Jessica is a college dropout or how she uses her body; that's her business and none of mine.  Yes I saw her Instagram page and she's not doing, showing or saying any more or less than what she did in the house.

Josh has been acting like a 5 year old since he stepped into the house and he's been relentless in his attacks on Jody whether personal or not.  He defends his actions by saying that Jess and Cody attacked him on a personal level.  So what?  Fair game in BB house so why should he get a free pass.  If I'd been harassed that way for weeks on end I just might have resorted to personal attacks too just to get him to shut up and using the pans as cymbals on his head. 

Personally, I won't miss hearing Jessica eating her fruit loops and kissing Cody every 5 seconds.  

If someone doesn't agree with an opinion they are called a hater? That's as far as I got in your post because I could equally say the same about post directed at Elena, raven Paul etc. Those people with opinions must be haters too? 

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16 minutes ago, HeleneL said:

Josh has been acting like a 5 year old since he stepped into the house and he's been relentless in his attacks on Jody whether personal or not.

 

Actually he has NOT been relentless.  He stopped.  Jessica then stupidly instigated a confrontation.  

 

I never gave Josh a free pass.  In fact, I have said I thought the pot-banging thing was over-the-top.  I really didn't like him in the beginning, but I do like him a lot more now.  Still, he shouldn't win, IMO.  As I said in another thread, I don't hate Jessica, but she's a mean girl and I'm just not a fan of mean girls.  She's deservedly gone from the game for making stupid decisions.  I don't feel sorry for her.  

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12 minutes ago, Lamasquerade said:

If someone doesn't agree with an opinion they are called a hater? That's as far as I got in your post because I could equally say the same about post directed at Elena, raven Paul etc. Those people with opinions must be haters too? 

So sorry.  Let me rephrase that:  "You're a Josh fan but hate Jessica's demeanor and actions.

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6 minutes ago, HeleneL said:

So sorry.  Let me rephrase that:  "You're a Josh fan but hate Jessica's demeanor and actions.

I am not a Josh fan nor a fan of any of them. He amuses me but that doesn't mean I'm a fan. That's the difference between me and some here, I could care less who wins and what happens to them after they leave the house. The other thing is that you don't need to rephrase anything nor should anyone else since we should all be permitted to state our opinions without being labeled or psychoanalyzed.

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Josh has the emotional maturity equivalent to a twelve-year-old.  Paul exploits it to his own gain and the mindless twits (most of the HGs) are 1) either too stupid to realize it or 2) too opportunistic to acknowledge it and risk their game.

 

The idiots are right about one thing though - Jessica valued her relationship with Cody more than winning the game.  And prostitute or not, a person can only take so much from an emotionally-unstable, bullying freak before they snap.  

 

To claim that only Jessica & Cody have crossed the line after Josh has attacked, bullied and acted like a two-year-old throwing temper tantrums all summer, is just stupid.  I have no problem with the opinion that Cody & Jessica were verbally cruel to the infant this past week, but to paint them as the bad guys after Josh's provoking behavior all summer, I would also expect a moral lecture concerning how indescent one is for defending the antics of the psycho, Josh, as well.

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1 minute ago, Lamasquerade said:

I am not a Josh fan nor a fan of any of them. He amuses me but that doesn't mean I'm a fan. That's the difference between me and some here, I could care less who wins and what happens to them after they leave the house. The other thing is that you don't need to rephrase anything nor should anyone else since we should all be permitted to state our opinions without being labeled or psychoanalyzed.

I didn't mean you were a Josh fan.  I was just rephrasing what I had said in reply to Roli's post that she was a Josh fan and you picked up that I said she was a Jessica hater and you didn't read any further.  My  intention was not to label or psychoanalyze or insult anyone and certainly not Roli.  I like  reading her posts and I will certainly watch how I phrase things in future.  Blame it on my "culture".  After all I'm French and my English is not always so perfect.  And here we are off topic again so I'll shut up.

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38 minutes ago, HeleneL said:

I didn't mean you were a Josh fan.  I was just rephrasing what I had said in reply to Roli's post that she was a Josh fan and you picked up that I said she was a Jessica hater and you didn't read any further.  My  intention was not to label or psychoanalyze or insult anyone and certainly not Roli.  I like  reading her posts and I will certainly watch how I phrase things in future.  Blame it on my "culture".  After all I'm French and my English is not always so perfect.  And here we are off topic again so I'll shut up.

 

Thank you for the compliments.  I enjoy reading your posts too.  We don't always agree, but your posts always have a respectful tone.  

 

I'm really not a "Josh fan".  I just see him as sort of an immature 23 year old guy who has led a sheltered life.  He has made some mistakes, but he does have some depth.  I think some here can't look past the immaturity to see that he's really not such a bad guy.  I think he will learn from this experience, and he has the capacity to regret some of his actions. I say this as the mother of adult sons, and they made their share of stupid decisions when they were in their early 20's.  (They're WAY better now.  :))

 

 I'm not so sure Jessica has the capacity to learn from her mistakes.  First she'd have to admit to herself that she has made mistakes, but her attitude seems to usually be that everything is somebody else's fault.    

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13 minutes ago, Roli said:

 

Thank you for the compliments.  I enjoy reading your posts too.  We don't always agree, but your posts always have a respectful tone.  

 

I'm really not a "Josh fan".  I just see him as sort of an immature 23 year old guy who has led a sheltered life.  He has made some mistakes, but he does have some depth.  I think some here can't look past the immaturity to see that he's really not such a bad guy.  I think he will learn from this experience, and he has the capacity to regret some of his actions. I say this as the mother of adult sons, and they made their share of stupid decisions when they were in their early 20's.  (They're WAY better now.  :))

 

 I'm not so sure Jessica has the capacity to learn from her mistakes.  First she'd have to admit to herself that she has made mistakes, but her attitude seems to usually be that everything is somebody else's fault.    

When talking to Julie, she clearly said that if she was not Josh's target, then her eviction was on her. 

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5 minutes ago, Roli said:

 

Thank you for the compliments.  I enjoy reading your posts too.  We don't always agree, but your posts always have a respectful tone.  

 

I'm really not a "Josh fan".  I just see him as sort of an immature 23 year old guy who has led a sheltered life.  He has made some mistakes, but he does have some depth.  I think some here can't look past the immaturity to see that he's really not such a bad guy.  I think he will learn from this experience, and he has the capacity to regret some of his actions. I say this as the mother of adult sons, and they made their share of stupid decisions when they were in their early 20's.  (They're WAY better now.  :))

 

 I'm not so sure Jessica has the capacity to learn from her mistakes.  First she'd have to admit to herself that she has made mistakes, but her attitude seems to usually be that everything is somebody else's fault.    

I thank you too.  :)  But I will have to think some more about the "depth" of Josh lol.  I'm sure not there yet.  I have 2 adult daughters but I do have several adult nephews who managed to give their parents some grey hairs at times but I've never seen them throw tantrums and bang pots and pans around to make a point.  They didn't when they were kids and certainly not at the age of 23.   I do hope Josh learns from this experience.  Wonder what his business clients think of him now.  If he loses some of them because of this behavior he will be sure to repeat his mantra of "It's just a game... it wasn't personal".

As for Jessica, there is a chance she and Cody might try to make a go of it but he won't be able to keep up with her lifestyle nor can he afford it I don't think.  As for her personally I'm really not concerned whether she learned anything or not.  I don't know her and won't ever see her again except at finale night.

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2 minutes ago, HeleneL said:

As for Jessica, there is a chance she and Cody might try to make a go of it but he won't be able to keep up with her lifestyle nor can he afford it I don't think.  As for her personally I'm really not concerned whether she learned anything or not.  I don't know her and won't ever see her again except at finale night.

 

Yeah, I don't care either.  It's just interesting to watch these people with their different personalities.  I enjoy studying people, even if I may not necessarily like them.  

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1 minute ago, joystiick said:

When talking to Julie, she clearly said that if she was not Josh's target, then her eviction was on her. 

Yes she did.  But if she had just stopped for a minute and listened when Josh wanted to talk to her and if Cody hadn't butted in at that moment and if Josh hadn't been so worried about being overheard saying she wasn't his target, she might have stood a slim chance of turning things around and Josh getting his way with Elena out the door.  But that's a lot of ifs and shoulda, woulda, coulda now.

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6 minutes ago, joystiick said:

When talking to Julie, she clearly said that if she was not Josh's target, then her eviction was on her. 

 

She should have allowed a conversation with Josh.  She shut him down and it bit her in the ass.  

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1 minute ago, HeleneL said:

Yes she did.  But if she had just stopped for a minute and listened when Josh wanted to talk to her and if Cody hadn't butted in at that moment and if Josh hadn't been so worried about being overheard saying she wasn't his target, she might have stood a slim chance of turning things around and Josh getting his way with Elena out the door.  But that's a lot of ifs and shoulda, woulda, coulda now.

 

Agree

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9 minutes ago, Roli said:

 

She should have allowed a conversation with Josh.  She shut him down and it bit her in the ass.  

 

Why? The house wasn't going to flip and vote out Elena, despite what Josh wanted.

 

I don't think she owed him a conversation. She was done with him by them, and I can understand why. 

 

I would have allowed him to speak, but I'm a middle aged woman with more patience.

 

I will say that I thought that bathroom interaction was her playing a role though, which I didn't care for. According to her entrance interview, she sees Janelle in herself, but she doesn't pull off those dramatic interactions as well

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10 minutes ago, HeleneL said:

Yes she did.  But if she had just stopped for a minute and listened when Josh wanted to talk to her and if Cody hadn't butted in at that moment and if Josh hadn't been so worried about being overheard saying she wasn't his target, she might have stood a slim chance of turning things around and Josh getting his way with Elena out the door.  But that's a lot of ifs and shoulda, woulda, coulda now.

Yeah, a lot of if's. From her perspective, Josh had been goading them and gloating since the start of the game. They had already had a big blow up, I can understand her thinking that all Josh was looking to do was gloat some more. 

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11 minutes ago, HeleneL said:

Yes she did.  But if she had just stopped for a minute and listened when Josh wanted to talk to her and if Cody hadn't butted in at that moment and if Josh hadn't been so worried about being overheard saying she wasn't his target, she might have stood a slim chance of turning things around and Josh getting his way with Elena out the door.  But that's a lot of ifs and shoulda, woulda, coulda now.

I hate movies that run the plot based on the characters not saying some essential truth that causes all the misunderstanding and drama to continue. Yet here we have seen that thrice now at least in BB...Jess had a temptation and she was eager to let Paul know what it was, but he would not ask...and then Josh wanted Elena out but neither Jess nor Cody would let him tell them. And it seems no one is noticing that Kevin really wanted to align with them...yet he made the mistake of including Paul in his line up...and yet if Jody had bothered to let him know that Paul in being in his list made the list unworkable...he probably would have recanted it...such a group of idiots...ugh.

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