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[Napper]

lvgal, on 12 September 2011 - 04:41 PM, said:

For what it's worth because no one seems to want to "LISTEN", just ASSume and attack J/J and the fact that the last several posts are attacking JEFF although this is Jordan's thread......

I would like to acknowledge fatcat for bringing in some common sense.

Get a grip, people......obviously intolerance of ANYONE is based on ignorance, and ignorance is sometimes just based on never being exposed to something or someone you don't understand.

White ppl were ignorant about accepting black skinned ppl. until they got to KNOW them, live next door, go to school, etc.......Straight ppl. have been ignorant of gay ppl. for the same reasons, they couldn't identify them as easily, no different color of skin, but most straight ppl. thought they were SO different, UNTIL they started to learn that they WERE their next door neighbors, teachers, PTA members, etc.....look at the facts, folks, when more gay ppl. "came out" and more ppl. became informed about who they were....... WOW, they knew they are just like us, ignorance was overcome and more ppl. became pro-gay, less ppl. became anti-gay.

There will ALWAYS be prejudice because there will always be IGNORANCE.......but I think if we all realize educating the ignorant is the only way to resolve it, we could ALL reach out & help.

Feel sorry for those who aren't educated enough to be tolerant.
And, to bring it back to Jordan, I doubt she has an intolerant bone in her body....shows me, she's highly intelligent.

Dumbest post I've seen on these boards. I really feel sorry for this person.

[pinkie]

Excuse me???

[lvgal]

Gee, Napper, don't "feel sorry" for me
show me how "intelligent" you are by showing facts that disprove any of my points.

Maybe it was showing Jordan's intelligence that got to you?

[Napper]

No, actually its your personal belief that if others believe differently than you do, they must be ignorant. Yet you try to make your personal belief to come off as fact.

A person believing a gay person shouldn't teach children makes them no more ignorant than you  preaching how people who don't think like you are ignorant.

If a person thinks gays aren't capable of teaching children (or whatever scenario you want to put in here), it is a personal belief and has nothing to do with their intelligence or education level.  Are some children dumber because they believe in Santa Claus? Are some of our Scientists ignorant (as you put it) because they believe in life on other planets and some people don't?

Fact is, a persons personal belief has NOTHING to do with their intelligence level.  Osama Bin Laden was as against our belief's as he could be, but his planning of his attacks proved he was a pretty smart cookie. He was not ignorant just because he didn't believe the way we do.  He brought this economy down to its knees, so yes....he won. Not a dumb man.

If you REALLY want the proof that your ways are flawed then just look at it like this.....

Person A (a business owner) hates gays and you want to educate him to make him "educated".

Person A believes his way of believing is right and tries to make you understand how vile and nasty gays are.

How would you feel if person A did that? Now you know how they feel when you do that.

Its like a form of hypocrisy. You are trying to do to others what you don't want done to you lol.

Saying people who dont believe the same things you do are ignorant, shows a LOT about your need for some education yourself.

[pinkie]

I don't believe that that was what Ivgal was saying at all

ignorant doesn't always mean uneducated

ig·no·rantAdjective/ˈignərənt/1. Lacking knowledge or awareness in general; uneducated or unsophisticated.2. Lacking knowledge, information, or awareness about something in particular: "ignorant of astronomy

[lvgal]

WOW, Napper.......you really missed my whole point which has NOTHING to do with "book" education.  If a person believes a gay person cannot educate their child, lol, they better check the references of the last few teachers who have taught their children because they will have been IGNORANT in their belief.  (OH, BTW, I know this because I AM a teacher).

On the other point, I was talking about "life" education.  And, I NEVER said ppl who don't "think like me" are ignorant.  Like I said, LISTEN.

What I POSTED was FACT.  The EDUCATION I spoke about was not in books, it came out of ppl. living together, going to school together, meeting & marrying.......you cannot learn everything from a book.  AND, I NEVER claimed those who don't think like I do are IGNORANT.....I SAID, their ignorance just comes from not being exposed to those ppl they "think" are "different".  I know this from experiences in my own family over years AND, obviously looking at data over years.....have you been paying attention to the change in support for gay marriage????

If YOU think you are highly evolved & educated & still believe that there are ppl "below you", I will stand behind my belief that you are ignorant.

[lilsis]

As this is Jordan's thread, I am going to say one more time how much I miss her in the house. Yes, in many ways she is very innocent but that is what most of us like about her.  She is not a jaded, hardend. young women with no morals. I enjoyed watching her facial expressions as "she got it".  I loved her reaction when she realized what a "chubby" was and that she had danced to a song about it.  Jordan, I hope life treats you well. Good luck snd many good wishes.
                  

[lvgal]

Thanks, Illisis...........for bringing us back to my original point, Jordan is certainly an innocent soul without an ignorant bone in her body.  NO prejudice here!

[Slowpoke]

ooops.... lol... busy thread

[lilsis]

Thanks, Ivgal.  I will miss her(and Jeff).  I hope and pray for a happy life for her and that she always stays true to herself.  Do not change for anyone, as we love you the way you are.  Love ya, Jordan!!      

[lvgal]

never too busy for your opinion, slowpoke

[lvgal]

Napper, on 12 September 2011 - 05:17 PM, said:

Dumbest post I've seen on these boards. I really feel sorry for this person.

[lvgal]

ignore

[smassadi]

lvgal, on 12 September 2011 - 06:28 PM, said:

Thanks, Illisis...........for bringing us back to my original point, Jordan is certainly an innocent soul without an ignorant bone in her body.  NO prejudice here!

  Jordan!

[Fatcat]

I am sorry as I am the one who evidently opened this can of worms by replying to Nebartists post, this subject had been dead and gone for a while and then neb swept in here and said something to the effect that because he is gay jeff thinks he cannot or should not teach small children, for gods sake the whole thing about that post was subjective and lvgal, I certainly got your post and did not think you were implying ignorance, I said IF JEFF DID MAKE THE STATEMENT EVERYONE THINKS HE DID OR HE MEANT THAT GAY TEACHERS SHOULD NOT TEACH and I certainly do not think Jeff said or even would ever think that way, but if he did then I felt it was a stupid thing to say and out of ignorance, ya know some ppl think that you can cahnge from being gay back into being strainght, ya know?? not so smart, it just isnt that way, so I appologze if I started anything,I was only speaking to neb because he said he was hurt and I do just not get that, Jeff never said those words, how many times do we have to go over it, Jeff only said that the author of the book would not have the headmaster be gay in the book, he never said anything about molesting, or that teachers who are gay should not teach, it was never said, and such a big deal has been made over it, it is just my own opinion and everyone is entitled to theirs but lv gal I am sooooo sorry that someone called you dumb, that sure was not nice, I always enjoy you and feel you contribute greatly to this  board, . I hope we get to see some of the jury house soon, I am sooo board to tears with this week of nothing going on, uuuggg!!!!!

lilsis, on 12 September 2011 - 06:39 PM, said:

Thanks, Ivgal.  I will miss her(and Jeff).  I hope and pray for a happy life for her and that she always stays true to herself.  Do not change for anyone, as we love you the way you are.  Love ya, Jordan!!      

thanks for the pos lilsis, your name is what I call my youngest daughter

[lvgal]

omg, FATCAT, you were only bringing some sanity into a really crazy argument.
Please do NOT feel responsible.
Napper chose to believe I was attacking by stating facts.
Napper chose to attack me for just stating facts.
All is well.......been around long enough to understand baiting.....but it takes 2 and as much as I love a debate, Napper just wanted to bait.......so sad.

[smassadi]

Fatcat, on 12 September 2011 - 07:23 PM, said:

I am sorry as I am the one who evidently opened this can of worms by replying to Nebartists post, this subject had been dead and gone for a while and then neb swept in here and said something to the effect that because he is gay jeff thinks he cannot or should not teach small children, for gods sake the whole thing about that post was subjective and lvgal, I certainly got your post and did not think you were implying ignorance, I said IF JEFF DID MAKE THE STATEMENT EVERYONE THINKS HE DID OR HE MEANT THAT GAY TEACHERS SHOULD NOT TEACH and I certainly do not think Jeff said or even would ever think that way, but if he did then I felt it was a stupid thing to say and out of ignorance, ya know some ppl think that you can cahnge from being gay back into being strainght, ya know?? not so smart, it just isnt that way, so I appologze if I started anything,I was only speaking to neb because he said he was hurt and I do just not get that, Jeff never said those words, how many times do we have to go over it, Jeff only said that the author of the book would not have the headmaster be gay in the book, he never said anything about molesting, or that teachers who are gay should not teach, it was never said, and such a big deal has been made over it, it is just my own opinion and everyone is entitled to theirs but lv gal I am sooooo sorry that someone called you dumb, that sure was not nice, I always enjoy you and feel you contribute greatly to this  board, . I hope we get to see some of the jury house soon, I am sooo board to tears with this week of nothing going on, uuuggg!!!!!




thanks for the pos lilsis, your name is what I call my youngest daughter

No, no fatcat it wasn't your fault!  People are outright lying about what poor Jeff said and some of us who understand him are trying to let the truth be known!  Good job!

[homehearties]

it probably would have hurt my feelings if I were gay.  But I don't think he said it maliciously.

[BigMDGirl]

Marty, on 12 September 2011 - 02:12 PM, said:

I picture Jordan and Jeff laying around the pool and just smiling and having a good time. They really compliment each other even though they have different personalities.

I went to youtube and watched some Jeff and Jordan video montages from Season 13 and even one from Season 11 when he "proposed" to her!  It brought me to a happy place!

[homehearties]

I wish I could love Jeff and Jordan like everyone else (most) here, then I could fit in better lol