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Flashback 6:34PM BBT: Joel goes on to say tomorrow is a very big decision and they all are weighting a lot of factors and he does not know what they are for everyone so he will lay out potential factors why he should stay. Firstly from a personal standpoint you probably want someone who does not cause much drama and is more peaceful. Cass chimes in that she is a drama queen with a smug smile on her face. Joel now turns his attention to a bunch of game related factors and he is obviously quite nervous and speaking haltingly. One factor is trust. Both of us have shown we are not trustworthy. Cass has broken deals while he has been in between and playing both sides which is now no secret. While his stuff has boiled to the surface now Cass has been given multiple opportunities to rebuild trust so is it fair to say to him that he had a chance and you blew our trust and is it fair to say that Cass deserves a third or fourth chance? Kelsey jumps in and says that those are just the number of times that Cass was caught while he was doing it more and was just caught now so this would not actually be his first chance. Cass interjects that he has broken trust maybe even more than her as she remained loyal to the Threak Show threesome. Going forward Joel posits that in a final four situation he is someone that would be all alone as there is clearly a lack of trust between him and the other three remaining HGs if he were to make the final four so he would be an easy one to get out from a game standpoint at that juncture. In terms of competitions which at this time in the game are very very important he believes it fair to say he and Cass have performed equally so from that standpoint it is probably a whitewash between them. All the other HGs and particularly the two competing for HOH tomorrow have done much better than he and Cass. Another factor which came up yesterday was the potential for jury votes. He personally does not think it fair to say this person will get this vote or that vote as he honestly believes there are no guarantees about who will vote for whom. And while some may say he has played a whale of a game and will like the things he has done others will not and will say they cannot reward him as they feel backstabbed. There are many examples of past seasons of BB and/or Survivor where something like that came into effect such as Dan in BB 14 who obviously played a great game butr was not rewarded by the jury since he had backstabbed him after they they put a lot of faith in him. Or like Russell who played Survivor twice. 

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Flashback 6:41PM BBT: Joel ends this point by saying he cannot convince them about how the jury will vote but if he has played a great game then maybe he deserves to be here and some have said they would like to go tot he finale with someone who played a great game so maybe he deserves to go further. The other side of the jury coin is if he is someone who could muster a lot of votes then it should be easy next week to say we have to take Joel out and if he is on the block after the veto it should be easy target him but if Cass is there it might not be as clear cut if folks think she is a jury goat and would not be a threat to get many jury votes. Not only that but if folks are planning on taking Cass to the finale she will be taking up  someone else's spot (who presumably deserves it more.- DRG) In conlusion Joel thinks that he makes more sense to keep around for all the reasons just mentioned. He knows a lot of people were very very hurt and he apologizes for that. He can't take back what he has done but he hopes to rebuild trust but everything he mentioned from a personal and game standpoint are why he should stay. While they all might think differently he just wants them to take into consideration those points and look at the big picture and go with that. 

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Flashback 6:47PM BBT: Nick asks a question and says that Cass has laid out her plan for going forward if she stays in the game so what is your plan if you stay in the game? He responds that he feels like he is someone who is alone in this game and who does not have a very high level of trust but for himself he would like to be with the brothers. Of the folks left he feels he has connected with them the most from the beginning.He has played both sides and feels like they are the deepest cut as they started from the very beginning. Cass remarks that hers was a pretty deep cut and Tim says that hers does not matter and she adds because she is on the block next to him. Kelsey asks so what about Tim and I, what if we are standing there together and you have the veto? He responds that he would probably take out Kelsey because she and him have burned a lot of bridges going back to week four when he put her on the block. He thinks he has burned more bridges with her than with anyone else and while he would hope he could rebuild that he feels it would be very difficult at this point. Kelsey says alright and also because the brothers and I have already told you that we are working together so you know they would choose me over you. He replies, yes to which she comes back with. "So you want to get me out, I;m your target next week." Joel comes back with if he has the POV then there are a limited number of options and if he had to choose between herself and Tim or the brothers then yes she would go. Kelsey says that it is FINE (the way she always does when it is clearly not fine. - DRG) and thanks him for being honest. Joel elaborates that while he has burned everybody he has burned her the most and there are wounds that will not heal. Tim interjects that while it will not affect his decision just as a matter of interest the last two veto comps if he had won either of them what would he have done with them? What was your plan, not the plan we talked about? Kelsey jumps in and says that while he has burned her more openly he has burned these boys more behind their backs which is still burning them just as much just more sneaky. His one word reply is, Yes. Nick says he has talked with Joel about it and let him know he was hurt by it. They say it is Big Brother and Nick goes on to say while the game bridge is burnt he has a personal relationship with him. Joel observes that that is what Nick is struggling with. Kelsey tells Joel not to think that any of them are taking this personally and while it is nice that he apologized for the moves they all understand that it is BB. Tim also says not to worry about that. Kelsey goes on to say they are real people and it hurts but they don't hold it against him and they still know what a great guy he is to which Nick throws in that Canada does too. Kesley states they will always love him and care about him and don't worry about the personal side. Nick tells Kelsey that she is such a sweetheart and a good person. Tiom brings them back to his question about last weeks veto and the Threak Show's plan  for Joel to win POV but not use it while Joel's actual plan was to use the veto. Joel stops him and says his plan was to win the veto and use it on Nikki, of course after he talked to Tim and Cass about it. From a game standpoint he knew that next week everyone would play in the POV and Jared was too big a threat having won two POVs and an HOH and finishing in the top three of all comps. Kelsey clarifies that Joel wanted to put up the brothers and Jared together thinking that the brothers would stay. Joel says not knowing for sure that the brothers would stay and Nick says he just wanted two big targets on the block. Tim wants to know if that move would have exposed Joel or Cass and Kelsey wonders why they did not just do that from the beginning. Tim and Cass confirm that Cass never would have made the move of putting up both Jared and the brothers. Nick says either way they would have gone home and Tim chimes in that Nikki would have thought Joel a hero and would have been indebted to him which would have been good for Joel's game but made Cass look like "a donkey" as she herself interjected then corrected herself to say she would have been a goat and she was called a goat. 

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Flashback 6:54PM BBT: Tim now turns his attention to this weeks POV and asks what Joel would have actually done. Joel says he would have used it on Tim leaving no option but to put up Nick and Phil. Tim does not believe him and asks if he would not have used it on Cass? Joel says no because he wanted to disguise he had a relationship with Cass still. Kelsey says but at this point we all knew and asks if it was because he wanted to work with Tim until the end because he is a stronger competitor so having him in the game was better for him. Had you used the veto on Tim the brothers would have gone so when you shook my hand you were lying to us and it was complete bullshit? Joel: yes. Tim asks why did he think he would win the veto with Phil's help in round 4, why not come to me and say Tim. and Kelsey interrupts saying Joel did not want Tim to win it to which Tim replies that he would have given it to Joel if Phil had been eliminated. Kelsey keeps saying he did not want Tim to come off the block as then Joel would replace him there. Tim says he would have thrown the comp to Joel but Phil assures Joel that he was never going to let Joel win that comp. Joel says at one point in the comp he believed Phil would throw it to him as at one point he helped Joel. Phil says enough to keep him in that round but he never would have allowed Joel to win. Joel was the only guy Phil could not have win that comp and he was not going to risk it. Joel then relates that it was him being delusional during the comp. Both Tim and Phil admonish Joel that he took the game into his own hands when he should have worked with Tim. Nick says if they had talked in the pit about working together to get the brothers out they could have done it easily. Kelsey says she did not understand becasue she would not have been able to vote and the alliance of three would have stayed intact and they all could have come after her next week. Nick asks if it was wanting to keep playing both sides or was it wanting to take ownership for all the big moves. Joel answers that at the time it was not wanting to get caught by either side. Tim points out that there was no outcome whereby he would not have been and Joel agrees adding that he honestly did not think about that in the moment and now it is coming back to bite me. (So there it is from the goats mouth, he is a choker not a shower. - DRG) Phil comments, "that sucks, man." Kelsey drives home the point that Joel wanted to get the brothers out last week and this week, but now he wants to work with them. Nick clarifies further that he shook their hand and he would have gone back on his word. Joel, "yes." They are all wondering since the Threak Show wanted the brothers out why did he not work with them but instead made a move on his own? Joel responds that he thought that the brothers believed he was with them one hundred percent. they and Kelsey say they did and Cass says they thought he was with them one hundred percent. (so there is the problem Joel is too skinny a dude to be 200 percent anywhere. - DRG) Kelsey admonishes him that it is just too late in the game to try and play both sides. (Clearly Joel drank his own Kool Ade, and like Cass thought he could get away with it forever. - DRG) Nick tells Joel you can't take two girls out on a date at the same time. (As if Joel will get a dating reference.- DRG)  Cass's addition is you can't take a brunette and a red head. Joel states that all he is saying is that he is coming completely out in the open now and he was not thinking straight when it came to all of that stuff and he felt like he could appease both sides but clearly it was a mistake on his part not to just say he was in with this group or he was in with that group. Phil clarifies that now Joel wants the brothers to be his final 2 and Kelsey throws in that she would be his target next week which draws Joel's one word reply, Yes. Phil thinks that Tim is his final two since clearly Joel cannot beat them. 

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5:00 PM BBT: Nick asks Joel what is his rationale for choosing the brothers for his final 2 since he has clearly wanted them out for a while? Kelsey pounds the question saying why the brothers now when you were going to save Tim to backdoor the brothers? She answers her own question by positing that he thinks the brothers are the strongest competitors along with Tim and he is hoping they will take each other out. Joel eventually answers following Phil's suggestion that he would take the brothers to F2 due to the personal relationship they have. Kelsey won't let it go and tells him he has never gone by the personal relationship they had thought the whole time he was playing by his heart and he was not which is (you guessed it) FiNE, but you don't make decisions based on personal relationships you make them based on how you can win the game.  

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