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Jackie Ibarra {TAR} (Week 5) - HoH1 - dethroned

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I hope that Jackie's nominees win the BOB comp and she stays the HOH. I want Vanessa dethroned, she gets worked up when she is in power.

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Vanessa: Becky & Clay (Clay volunteered, Becky may have as well)

Jackie: Liz & James (both people that put Jackie on the block when they were HoH)

The backdoor plan is Steve for Jackie, Austin for Vanessa.

A F8 Dark Moon alliance is: Clay, Shelli, Vanessa, Jackie, Meg, James, Jason, Becky. Either Clay or James on the block would be saved by the other alliance members.

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Vanessa: Becky & Clay (Clay volunteered, Becky may have as well)

Jackie: Liz & James (both people that put Jackie on the block when they were HoH)

The backdoor plan is Steve for Jackie, Austin for Vanessa.

A F8 Dark Moon alliance is: Clay, Shelli, Vanessa, Jackie, Meg, James, Jason, Becky. Either Clay or James on the block would be saved by the other alliance members.

Who's nominees agreed to throw the BOB?? Or will this be a real battle???

I'm curious because both Jackie & Vanessa want to stay as the HOH. Even though Jackie & Vanessa appear to be working together, I sense some ulterior motives from both the women depending on who stays in power. I think that Shelli & Vanessa are underestimating Jackie's game play because she's been laying low and quiet.

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IMO Jackie should play along to win only to turn around and burn Clay and Shellie and stick with her core group - This 8 person alliance is just silly unless your playing for Jury

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The problem with Jackie turning on Clay and Shelli is that the rest of the dummies are begging to be in a Shelli/Clay alliance (or already think they are in one) that I don't think Jackie would have the votes to get one of them out.

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The problem with Jackie turning on Clay and Shelli is that the rest of the dummies are begging to be in a Shelli/Clay alliance (or already think they are in one) that I don't think Jackie would have the votes to get one of them out.

ITA. I was also thinking that a big move for Jackie would be to backdoor the dethroned Vanessa. Not because of Jeff, but because she would be taking out a powerful player in the game. But when I started counting possible votes to evict Vanessa, I couldn't find the 5 votes needed.

The only way Jackie stays in power is for her nominees (Liz & James) to beat Clay & Becky.

If Vanessa is not picked to play veto comp she can't win it. Best case scenario with veto in play would be either, Jackie , Becky, or John winning Veto and replacing Becky with Vanessa.

With Clay vs Vanessa, I can see Becky, Meg, Jason, Shelli voting to evict Vanessa on one side, and Steve, Liz, Austin voting to evict Clay on the other side. I have no idea how James or Johnny Mac would vote in the Clay vs Vanessa matchup.

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ITA. I was also thinking that a big move for Jackie would be to backdoor the dethroned Vanessa. Not because of Jeff, but because she would be taking out a powerful player in the game. But when I started counting possible votes to evict Vanessa, I couldn't find the 5 votes needed.

The only way Jackie stays in power is for her nominees (Liz & James) to beat Clay & Becky.

If Vanessa is not picked to play veto comp she can't win it. Best case scenario with veto in play would be either, Jackie , Becky, or John winning Veto and replacing Becky with Vanessa.

With Clay vs Vanessa, I can see Becky, Meg, Jason, Shelli voting to evict Vanessa on one side, and Steve, Liz, Austin voting to evict Clay on the other side. I have no idea how James or Johnny Mac would vote in the Clay vs Vanessa matchup.

Ooh. That sounds fun. :)

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ITA. I was also thinking that a big move for Jackie would be to backdoor the dethroned Vanessa. Not because of Jeff, but because she would be taking out a powerful player in the game. But when I started counting possible votes to evict Vanessa, I couldn't find the 5 votes needed.

The only way Jackie stays in power is for her nominees (Liz & James) to beat Clay & Becky.

If Vanessa is not picked to play veto comp she can't win it. Best case scenario with veto in play would be either, Jackie , Becky, or John winning Veto and replacing Becky with Vanessa.

With Clay vs Vanessa, I can see Becky, Meg, Jason, Shelli voting to evict Vanessa on one side, and Steve, Liz, Austin voting to evict Clay on the other side. I have no idea how James or Johnny Mac would vote in the Clay vs Vanessa matchup.

 

Jackie would need her noms to lose not win - They win and she's dethroned

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I liked Jackie from the beginning and thought Jackie was playing smart in staying low and riding under the radar.  Right now she has a chance to make a move and it sounds like she wants to.  If James throws the BOB like they want Jackie stays in power and as of right now her plan is to backdoor Austin it seems with Steve being the back up plan.  I would seriously love though for Austin to be picked for POV, win it and then take Liz off the block.  That would mean Jackie would be forced to put Steve up or someone else.  That alliance formed last night is never going to last.  Right now the sixth sense alliance is the longest alliance in the house and they are still going strong it seems.  Just like with the Brigade it looks like they determined Austin is Expendable.

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James promised to throw BOB so they could backdoor Austin

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Jackie would need her noms to lose not win - They win and she's dethroned

Ooops! Sorry I clearly missed that one little detail in the beginning. I got the BOB rules confused. I just wanted to see Clay on the block vs Vanessa with jackie still as the HOH.

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Wow, Jackie has come out to play ball. So far she seem's to have a pair. A very large pair. Go get 'em Jackie.

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Wow, Jackie has come out to play ball. So far she seem's to have a pair. A very large pair. Go get 'em Jackie.

 

Are you kidding. She did exactly what Vanessa, Clay and Shelli told her to do. 

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Jackie suddenly trying to act like she's intimidating too people ... Like everyone should fear her before she even wins the HoH and her picks lose the BOTB

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Vanessa should have backdoored Jackie, twin peaks and all. Unless Vanessa has a yen for her! lol

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Please get this 2 face Mean Girl off my TV and feeds. Tired of seeing this fake person acting nice to people to their face then talks crap about them behind their backs. If James knew some of the things The Mean Girls (Jason, Jackie and Meg).

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:omg:My favorite line she gave Vanessa I am not part of a pair because strong women like me and Becky are fierce and don't need to be a pair

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:omg:My favorite line she gave Vanessa I am not part of a pair because strong women like me and Becky are fierce and don't need to be a pair

That is laughable seeing she came in the house with her TAR partner.

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Vanessa should have backdoored Jackie, twin peaks and all. Unless Vanessa has a yen for her! lol

 

Vanessa is a lesbian you know. And Jackie has a killer bod. Oh to be the cream in the middle of that Oreo cookie. (sorry, couldn't help myself)

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I like Jackie because she is feisty. When she confronted Vanessa & Shelli about the change in their plan & why she wasn't informed. I love how Jackie was calm and unemotional about it, she didn't yell, scream or cry. Shelli & Vanessa are so used to the other girls deferring to them and kissing their butts that they realized that they cannot control Jackie and or intimidate her like they do with Meg, Liz, & Becky.

When Clay & Shelli couldn't get any info from Jackie, Clay said that Jackie was just too bitter (about Jeff) and would never work with them.

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Jackie better stop going on about people flipping on her when she's about to do the same to Becky unless she's BS'n the crew out there right now by trying to save Jason after telling Becky she was going to keep her

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Jackie better stop going on about people flipping on her when she's about to do the same to Becky unless she's BS'n the crew out there right now by trying to save Jason after telling Becky she was going to keep her

She's serious about wanting to keep Jason. Foolish move. She should have used Becky to gain trust with Clay and Shelli. She is going down on a sinking ship. Good!

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She's serious about wanting to keep Jason. Foolish move. She should have used Becky to gain trust with Clay and Shelli. She is going down on a sinking ship. Good!

 

:guitarist: yep 

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From what I gathered from the Shay convo after talking to Meg (who thinks she's brilliantly saved Jason) They want to convince Jackie they are doing it to cause Jackie to vote out Becky which will help them solidify an alliance with Becky and pull her away from Jackie ... Also brings along John - They are concerned about the Double Eviction

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