Moonpetal

If Paul wins or even F2 and we have to see this idiot for years to come omg just no. Nope!

I'm personally not a fan of us intervening with the game. Unless it's little things like vote no for what the have nots can eat. I feel production does enough to screw with things & we get to see more than the HG which changes the aspect of the game. Feels unfair for us to get to remove a player as we are simply watchers. Women have become the guys puppets. It's much more enjoyable with both sexes playing well. Oh Derrick is doing something with the Sheen family. He talked about working with Martin. Agree. He really does seem genuinely kind. You could tell when we saw the families too. Funny because I couldn't stand Paul's family. I don't follow the past HGs on twitter or anything but all on the after show love Vic.

The problem with being a player that planted seeds and let others do the moves is convincing people you were behind those moves. She did a lot of talk work that pretty much got a good bit of people evicted. The problem is no one can connect dots.

Nic has said while alone a few times that James made the wrong move. I don't think she intends on taking him. This just shows how bad James is at the game. I like him but as far as this game he will have to convince one of them to take him for me to see he's got game. Too bad bad he wasn't smart enough to keep Corey.

it's definitely going to be a toss up with this jury because we just don't know of they are capable of thinking only on terms of the game. So far I'd have to say they can't let go but the 3 left don't know what's going on. Its a risk for all of them unless they can explain their game play quick enough to sway votes which rarely happens. Instead of a bitter jury we have a bunch of emotional wrecks. I don't think Vic and Corey can get these people to focus. Sadly they are the only two that have their head out of the game and ready for jury voting. It's a sad sad season. Lol!!

She could have approached the situation differently. Her actions show she easily flies off the handle. You don't have to yell, get in someone's face and belittle someone else's choices (regarding Z) to stand up for yourself. I'm far from defending Paulie but Day most certainly was aggressive and by doing so is showing her daughter that's how to handle those situations. There is also the question of why even entertain a word that comes from someone like Paulie? Clearly he thought it was funny. Even more proving that there is a time and way to stand up for yourself and a time to let a fool look like a fool. IMO she just looked like a fool with him.

Watching the live feeds James looks so sad. Both Nic and Paul were alone with him at different times and he fished for them to say they are taking him. Neither did. But when alone they once again said they will take each other. alone Nic was practicing her speech and was talkimg about James making a bad move picking her over Corey. She said she never wanted to take James to f 2. That it was Corey who wanted James in F3. Pretty sure Nic and Paul are banking on the jury hating the other person.

12:49 pm j is getting ready for the DR p and n are whispering in the safari. p tells N about j telling p that n is practicing her speech. She denies it saying she said she needs to think about it. [it really seems like these two will take the other to F2 - Moonpetal] p is ask about her and Corey putting him and Vic up on the block. She starts to explaining saying she didn't want to go home on Corey's hoh. P tells her she's his F2. N is saying again she thinks j threw the physical comp. she wants j to says yes so she can lay into j. They both say j looks like he say a ghost after talking to N about the comp. j is out of the DR. P ask j if he had fun. We get fish. P and n are talking about sibling fighting and being like their parents. N says she's excited to see her family she could cry thinking about it. They start talking about where you are during the show and AFP n hopes to Corey or Vic for AFP.

12:26 she goes back to the safari room and James jumps in to scare her. She says she just going over speech. She tells James to come lounge with her. BB tells her to put on her mic. James ask if she's the new Michelle. J says he's thinking about pointers to say either way. N ask of J threw the first comp. J says hell no. N says you fell with me. J says he couldn't hold on. N says she was on the ground a split second. He says that's just how it was. N says she was close to beating him. N finds it's bizarre. Paul comes into the room after a DR session. We get fish. N is talking about it being bizarre that j fell with her. Paul agrees it was bizarre. N expect to watch them for hours. They are talking about techniques to stay up. Paul says he had a man wedgie. N is called to the DR. She wonders if she needs to wear her comp stuff she's not putting it on unless they tell her. We get fish. J starts to whisper he will tell P something when N goes to the DR. P says he wants to hang out in each room to say goodbye to the house. P walks into the bathroom room with N. We hear him say "he's shitting his pants" J is listening to them talk. P is telling another story. N is getting ready in the bathroom to go to the DR. P and N are talking about piercing sizes. Paul says his parents never let him get piercings. He whispers something hard to make out and then tells N to enjoy her last DR. N is saying things to P about a comp she lied to him about just to keep him busy. A comp called know your house or know your house guest. Then N says Paulie said they would have that comp. N says she knew everything including who was a have not every week. N goes to DR. 12:39 p and J in the safari room. J is rehashing the earlier conversation with N about her thinking her threw the first comp. j says n is getting her speech ready. P says damn. P says he's not trying to get into that mindset. He wants to go in clear minded. J says she's a study bug j finds it odd she would ask if tossed the comp. p says why would j toss it just to play in a mental comp. p says he climbs ropes at a gym. P says some of the areas was tough. J says he didn't think about swinging on the rope. P says he knew he needs to swing. P talks about his technique using his hands over his feet. Silence then he says 2 days and then a wake up, referring to the time they have left. J repeats what p said. Silence thdn p ask of they will call j next to the DR. J says probably. N comes back from the DR. P ask if it was sad. N stutters and we get fish.

12pm All in the kitchen talking. Paul is talking about crowd surfing at a concert. James is talking abkut people snatching hats from MMA fighters. Paul says they chase the fans when that happens. Nicole is adjusting her bun. James is talking about what would happen if a regular person knocks out a MMA fighter. Paul says you would get sued. Nicole ask why people would take their hats. Paul says just to mess with them or to sell it on eBay. James says you would get a lot of publicity. Paul is talking about a friend that fights. We get fish. We are back and Paul is talking about some bloody fight. [How does this kid have so many stories to be his age? -Moonpetal] Nicole says she's happy the guy survived. Paul says if he kept fighting and won he would have went pro. James says when he got in a fight before it hurts when hit in the eye socket with the knee. He got air or something in the eye socket. It took a week to go down. He said it was just a friend playing showing off for his girl. This was when James was a correctional officer. He grabbed the drivers finger to get out of a choke lock. 12:12pm Nicole is practicing her speech alone. [forget the name of the room, Safari?] She says she never made a emotional move. She says she often wanted to play emotional but never made moves that way including with Michelle. She says she has gotten called out the most and was very close to never being on the block. She's thinking about her biggest move. When Paulie went home she had to convince Nat and Michelle to put their alliance memebers on the block and then had to hand lots of break downs to keep her and Corey off the block. She says Corey helped her and she helped him. When it came to strategy she says she was the one behind it. She planted seeds and was able to read people. She would say randomn things to get to think about other things. It boggles her mind she's there and he's not. She says someone played emotionally. She said James keeping her over Corey was a bad move for James. She said that was an emotional move. James plays emotionally. She starts to say something about final 2 and not wanting to take James then... We get fish. We are back and she's exaggerating her S's to sound like a snake. Saying hey guys I can't believe you let me slither my way to one of these seats. She starts talkimg about how shes not sure she was she was ready to come back into the house. She found her ne ride or die and stuck with them. She goes over convincing Nat and Michelle to put up Paul and Vic. She starts to talk about trusting Paul and Vic. We get fish. Back and she's going to the bathroom. You can faintly hear her still going over her speech. [Can not hear words just hear her talking from an outside mic. - Moonpetal ]

Nicole won the second part

I agree. To be honest that would be a nice outcome. Paul gets the boot, James gets some money for being a good guy and Nic wins for her game play. There is no question Paul has played a killer game but what a jerk! I'd love to see him walk out screwed over. Unfortunately this guy has pulled at wins at odd times.

Corey had both Nic and Paulie feeding him game talk and moves. With Jeff Paulie told him the strategy he told Corey to do and it's exactly what he tried to accomplish. Corey was odd with Paulie. I do not see him and Nicole making it mostly because you can he is all about his bros and the bar. I get the feeling he's follower when it comes to friends but away from them he is a stand up guy. Really bad scenario for any girl. She will be pulled on by the charm & then too in awe to see the jerk part. You know basically what went on with Nicole. Nicole doesn't get along with other women but she also won't stand up for them. So maybe they are a good fit. I wonder if he would have stuck to Nicole for F2. The way he talked it feels like he would have taken James. I've not watched his after show yet.

For an ER nurse she often didn't know lots of things regarding the body or how to care for small things that happen in the house. She definitely did not hook up with Cory for gameplay. That girl is sprung off a little puppy. Yes Nicole stayed in bed a lot but she was always listening and always gaming. If you watch the live feeds you could see Cory almost bored with her constant game talk. He often just want to cuddle yet she insisted on talking game. Even though she was often just on the hammock or in bed she almost always knew exactly what was going on inside that house. So clearly the positions where she chose to lay were areas where she could hear things going on. She aligned yourself with a very strong alliance. She had the protection of almost every guy in the game. Her game play was boring to watch but far from weak.

Adore James but he's no Dr Will. Not even close game wise. No comparison. Not everyone makes it this far by playing a good game. Just look at many of the past F3. If either of them happen to taje him to the F2 he won't win based on game play. It will be purely his likability. They can't make the jury vote on gameplay. If that was the case the other two beat him hands down. Even all the past players on the after show say his game weak. These are people that have played the game.

Abdala- do you watch the after show? Vic was great on there and you he did disclose some of his thought process showing he was indeed thinking ahead. Both Jeff & Dani said he was F2 deserving & that it doesn't matter if he was voted out as it was part of this seasons twist. Dani was pretty animated about it even pretty much saying every year is a new twist, deal with it. In fact every previous player I've seen talk about Vic ( on the after show) had said he's worthy of winning. So if past players don't see fault I'm amazed those that haven't do. Oh well if you don't watch the after show it's great! Love Jeff!!! Derrick is currently down no some acting so I'm sure we will see Vic in the future.

Lol oh man when they started in with the reunion and yearbook I was dying!!!

It's a shame Baldwin had such a dirty mouth & those that watch the regular show didn't get to enjoy him. Miss that bird!!! Here's the thing, Vic was indeed loved by those in the jury. We heard them all say except Meech & Nat big surprise, that they didn't want to see Vic. That my friends is a social game. It wasn't that couldn't read people it's that he did really trust them & most definitely his downfall. I don't get the chest pounding comment. So he did it a few times & mostly to us. So what. He's young & was excited. He's not some dumb muscle head. The guy actually was good at mental comps. Sure he had tendency to be cocky, typical of his age range. Oh well. He seems pretty level headed and that's not something you see often on BB and especially not this cast of paranoid mood swingers. And since he's no longer in the game any game talk is pointless cause he lost. We should be focusing on how to see more of this hottie!!! Yes, action movies work. Let's get him in the lastest Fast & Furious with Dewayne Johnson (The Rock). Yummy!!!

Just going to put this out there because I've suspected it from about week three, everyone thought Vic was Alison pick this year. I've maintained to my hubby it was Paul. The kid didn't know anything about the game & had to read the manual in the storage room & ask others what things meant. How do you go from that to knowing exactly how to play the game? There's always speculation that production feeds them info & a few have confirmed it over the years. Some think it was set for Nic & James to be to the end. Now if you want to buy conspiracy theories great but I can't see the lure in production wanting two vets. They both already had their chance & blew it. It's always fun to watch vets but at least bring on some that won't blow up their game so early. Looking at you Frank & Day. Anyways, something about Paul & his behavior has always struck me as odd. There's no between for him. It's one extreme or the other. We have seen some rare glimpses of a level headed person but it's only to get info then back to the emotional swing. I just can't see someone that doesn't know the show to be that good at knowing how to work people & suddenly he wins comps? Eh feels like a bust of a season but it sure was fun!!! About Nicole, I can't see why the gals would be jealous. Nat seems to be the only one not jealous and Day seems to understand it's a game. If the others are jealous it's all on them because might have avoided them but she didn't toss her looks or power at them. She's not a snake. She's playing the game. She's securing her butt a F2 spot and she knows it means tossing James way under that bus to feed into Paul's ego. If she leaves him any doubt he will pick James. Is it scummy? Sure. But she's dealing with scum. Yes her butt did lay in bed all the time it doesn't mean she wasn't in the game. I watched those feeds & watched her lay there or the hammock. But she was indeed always scheming. She knew she had to be away from it all but still around it too. What better way than to lay in positions where you can hear and see things? Never tucked away in the closed bedrooms unless she was watching from the hoh. She kept herself off the block right up to the end. Now that's impressive!! Oh James. Adore the guy but he's been terrible and he's basically a Victoria. Sorry but it's true. Him beating Nic will take a sheer miracle!! How could he blow another endurance comp?? Wave buh-bye to 1/2 a million. He better convince the other two they can win against him to see any type of money. It's not that he didn't game it's that he has been clueless as to who has his back. Corey would have without a doubt taken him to F2 with Nic gone. Paulie has his back too. So when you ask how did Nat ruin his game? She pulled him away from those willing to protect him. It's not words but actions that will most likely cost you the game. She was still bitter that these guys didn't fall for her. Look the gal is hot I'm sure in her world guys fall all over her but I can't imagine she's not been used hard core. There's way too much bitterness radiating from her when she gets rejected. She didn't clouded his judgment. You can't have a ride or die that doesn't see things the same way as you. To be fair he completely ruined her game but telling everyone she wanted Vic to stay over Corey. It wasn't trusting Nicorey that ruined it all it was James stating that basically Nat wasn't on board for F4. Nic already didn't trust Nat & for good reason. The people that had James's back was the exact people Nat wanted to target. Still James did make it but it will always be a question of would he have done better without the Gnat in his ear? By better I mean winning comps & keeping people like Paul out of F3. I'm not a Paul fan but him working up Day was hilarious!!! She's a cannon always waiting to blow. Never been a Day fan. She's funny at times but I can do without all the repeated nonsense and hair flipping when she argues. She got in his face and was way too aggressive. Without someone there I think she would have hit him. Now him getting in her face too well he should have backed off but it wouldn't surprise me if he wanted to see her do something and have to leave the jury. I'm not for guys stepping to gals but at the same time I'm not for gals stepping to guys. And at any point grown men & women acting like out of control teenagers. It's amusing to watch but disgusting at the same time. Clearly no one is really a grown up in that jury house.

Will miss Vic. He sure fought like hell to play in this game. Plus he was nice eye candy and I often forget his age. Oops. Lol If they ever have vets come back I hope he's on the list. All around good guy IMO & had he just shut up about winning comps could have gone further. Oh well. They all have to go at some.

Yup he's always said they are not his comps. So that really screws him on final hoh. Yup!!! Voting Nicole out makes more sense for James. But not for Paul & he knows it.

Right!!! I just like to watch the hamsters do more. Good thing there's other hamsters to watch.

BBmike you may just see it play out that way. I'd hate to see James come in third but unless he wins final hoh I think that's how it will be.

I think the Nicole hate comes from two places. First she can't be without a guy and just be strong on her own. Women watchers want to see strong vocal big move making women. Not that Nicole hasn't done some this but it's all been with a guy. Now me could argue that she actually was the one making the moves and using the guys. They almost always did what she suggested which she always followed with "But I don't care I'll do what ever you want". Now anyone woman knows those are often words worth gold. It will more often than not have your way happen. Second some of the hate comes from her not being as innocent as her last season. Everyone fell for golden haired sweet girl. Well she's got some edge this season. She's a vet and is out for money. She knows this game and clearly learned a few things. My personal slight dislike is her out right dislike for other females. I'm not a girlie girl either but she took aim hard core. Then again this group was a sad mess. Not sure I would have taken to any of them either. I still like Nicole just not as much. Just wish she had not stayed in bed so much. Then again she did know everything going on...

Not that Vic wouldn't have put them up but they evicted the wrong person. I believe the 3 would still be in power. Vic would go and they wouldn't have this small tyrant running the house. Oh well their mistake. Here's the thing, I don't see either taking James. They stand a better chance taking each other. Anyone else sickened by the idea of Paul even having second place? I don't know what James can do to secure his place other than win.