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Jordan was in the BB house this summer? I guess I couldn't see her riding on Jeff, Rachel's and AG's coattails all season. Her not making the final two this year is pretty horrible. She couldn't win a comp to save her life. She went out with "class" because of who she was going up against, she had no argument to stay against her friend Rachel. However, if Adam wouldve used that veto on Tuesday you think she wouldve gone out with class? So far everyone has gone out with class outside of Jeff.

Well, I think Jordan didn't want the confinement for 24 hrs, I am not naive enough to think that was at least part of her position. Oh no, there I go "insulting" again...sigh.

Sounds like it. She does have 5 days to convince them. As much people hate this woman right now you have to at least like her a bit for a TV show like this. She is at least entertaining and can play the villain. It is much more fun when the Yankees are in the world series because they are a villain, better than a nothing like Adam in the house, right? again, at least Shelly is playing the game, you have to give that to her.

She could not have said no, did you know what game that was? Shelly had the veto and Jordan took it and gave confinement and a phone call. She couldn't say, no thanks I'll keep this veto,lol. I'm not saying it wasn't a nice move, but there was also 24 hr confinement that I don't think Jordan or anyone else in the house wanted. You don't know Jordan's full intentions. You don't know if Jordan was desperate to speak to her family but would take 24 hrs of confinement and bread. It was nice, but it wasn't what it has been made out to be either, I think everyone else in the house excluding perhaps Kalia wouldve done it.

I agree, never said you couldn't or shouldn't.

I thought this was a message board and we are discussing the events happening on the show. I didn't know this was a Jejo fan site and could only talk crap about the people going up against them, that wasn't what Morty's is. It is a place to talk BB, you know the game many of you liked before you fell in love with Jejo?

ok, if Jordan wouldn't have gone home who wouldve? I guess they couldve voted Adam off, but I highly doubt that, either way Shelly is safe, correct? Agreed Rachel won fair and square, but that shouldn't be able to keep Jordan safe, it should have nothing to do with Jordan this late in the game. As much as I dislike Rachel the last two seasons on this show, she deserves credit when credit is due, big win for her. Let's not forget that Jordan also gave Shelly confinement for 24 hrs with the phone call, and Jordan also took the veto. Was it a nice gesture? I guess, but who wouldn't have done that in that position? And btw, it is only a game.

IMO the edits have not only of course been kind to Jejo, as they always are, they have been EXTREMELY kind to Shelly. You are right that Shelly has gone way overboard with Rachel ever since Rachel tried to out her to Jejo a couple weeks back. But the edits don't show that, and the vast majority who watch this show watch only the CHS show. The majority of America who watch this show don't know how vicious Shelly has been towards Rachel so I don't buy too much into your theory.

It isn't about being rational or bias, it is about what happened, what are the facts that are not up for debate without bias. I agree with you that game philosophy and opinion there is no absolute truth, however this week it's different because of the twist..... 1. If Pbox twist wasn't throw in this week would shelly be safe this week and perhaps beyond? 2. If Pbox twist wasn't throw in this week would Jordan be going to jury? aren't both of those answers yes? The only people distorting reality is people who believe what "did shelly in was this that or the other". What did shelly in right now was the new twist, can't that at least be agreed upon? Like I wrote earlier, I don't think shelly would be in the final two in any scenario with or without Jeff, but I do feel that she made a play to further herself in the game had it not been of course for this twist.

Will you love Adam if he wins then, because he didn't ruffle feathers?

You can't factor in a Pandora's Box twist at that point when making a big move. Look at Kalia's HOH with 9 people left, she was so worried about a twist that she screwed her alliance by putting up Lawon. Her fear made her make the worst move in BB history. When she was with Jeff/Jordan/Rachel/Adam she was pretty low on the totem poll, probably 4th if not 5th. Jeff said it best the other night, she can't win anything so she has to try and make these moves to help her get higher in the game. The way she was playing with Jeff/Jordan she was going to have to HOPE that Jeff took her to the final three, THEN she would have to beat both in the final HOH, and let's face it those odds sucked for her. Now she is leaving this week based on a twist and a twist alone that wasn't foreseen. Would she have made the final two anyway? Maybe not. Would she have made the final two with the way she was playing with Jeff? Probably not as well. In her scenario before the PBox twist, she wouldve been in the final five with Kalia/Adam/Porsche/Jordan or Rachel, in this case Rachel since she won POV. That means Jordan wouldve left this week and Rachel would still be the house big target, Adam then would probably be the final 4 big target, and then perhaps kailia or porsche take her to final two if she didn't win it herself. The PBox twist made her in immediate danger out of nowhere, and completely protected Jordan this week. After the Pbox it was going to either be Rachel or Shelly, before the Pbox it was going to be Rachel or Jordan.

I agree with this to an extent, but sooner or later you are going to have to turn on someone that is inevitable. They were going to have to turn on Shelly at some point. Jeff threw the veto trusting Dani (scary move for him at the time) which meant Brendon, who he was friends with, was going home. You have to turn on people at some point in the game, that is inevitable.

She absolutely made a move to help her along. If the Pbox wasn't used this week would she be safe and Jordan out the door? Isn't that fact? I like how you wrote how big moves have hurt people, but left off jeff...that was his demise as well apparently for two seasons. Isn't reality that Shelly was safe this week until another twist that saved Jordan? That is reality. Without that twist Shelly is in the final five, Jordan is out of the game and who knows what happens after that, I assume Rachel would then still be the biggest target when they were down to five.

See that is the hypocrisy that I'm talking about. Reverse those roles for a second. Let's say Jordan made a gameplay against Shelly and Jordan came in to tell Shelly how she wasn't happy about doing it, but that it's a game and she also felt like crap, then Shelly throwing something nice that she did in Jordan's face how would people take it? People would be saying how awful Shelly was for throwing that in her face, and Shelly needs to understand that it is just a game and Jordan made a play. That is exactly what would be going on because one person is liked and the other isn't. Shelly is a victim of the Pandora's Box THIS WEEK. That is fact. Without the PBox Jordan would be going home and Shelly would be sitting in a good spot with five people left. She isn't a victim of her play last week, that isn't being honest. She was the FOURTH target this week of six left, and because the twist it will fall on her, that is how it goes I guess, but that is what she was a victim of.

I just don't like the entitlement some of the vets have. I do not like Rachel, and I have posted on that before, but if she wins I'll be cool with it because she doesn't feel or act entitled. Her and Brendon have to fight their tails off to stay in the game, and if she somehow wins it I will be cool with that despite how much I dislike her in the BB house. I like Jejo, but I certainly am not head over heels in love with them like so many other BB fans have become. It is almost like Jejo are bigger than the BB game itself. And because of that reason there is a ton of hypocrisy being thrown around this place and forget that some people have to play the game differently to move along, just like every season. I mean it isn't like Shelly lied about her husband having cancer or anything (mr. matt hoffman I'm looking at you). It is just the attitude that Jejo can do no wrong and are perfect people, players etc. and their tactics are always honorable, and anyone who is going up against them is a horrible, vile human being. Sorry, that just isn't reality on either side of the fence.